This post is for Amanda and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle:
Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk
son of Wawwaythi Whitefish Okowellos “Ionoco” Sunfish (1672-1740) and Bird (1682-1740).
Spouse & Children:
Helizikinopo (1715 – 1756)
M:Chenusaw CORNSTALK (1730 – 1778)
M:Wolf Piaserka CORNSTALK (1733 – 1788)
F:Mary CORNSTALK (1735 – 1775)
M:Walker Keigh tugh quah And Heliziknopo CORNSTALK (1735 – 1818)
M:Newa CORNSTALK (1737 – 1776)
F:Aracoma Snow CORNSTALK (1740 – 1780)
F:Greenbrier CORNSTALK (1741 – 1777)
M:Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832)
F:Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk (1744 – 1791)
M:Ellinipsico CORNSTALK (1745 – 1777)
F:Elizabeth CORNSTALK (1746 – 1770)
F:Esther Cutewah CORNSTALK (1748 – 1777)
F:Oceano Cornstalk (1756 – 1765)
Other Spouse & Children:
Ounaconoa Moytoy (1716 – 1755)
M:Wissecapoway Cornstalk (1735 – 1808)
M:Wynepuechiska Shawnee Cornstalk (1738 –)
M:Black Wolf Benewiska Cornstalk (1740 – 1796)
M:Ionoco Ailstock Cornstalk (1741 – 1777)
M:Nenpemeshequa Cornstalk (1742 – )
M:Wissecapouay Shawnee Cornstalk (1744 – )
M:Benewisca Shawnee Indian (1750 –)
M:Lawathtucheh John Wolf Cornstalk (1750 – 1834)
M:Peitehthator Shawnee Indian (1752 –)
M:Wissecapoway Cornstalk (1753 – )
M:Lawathtucheh Shawnee Indian (1754 –)
M:Wynepuechiska Peter Cornstalk (1755 – 1838)
F:White Wing Cornstalk (1756 – )
F:Susannah Keigh tugh quah A Ounaconoa Moytoy Cornstalk (1757 – 1820)
M:White Fish Cornstalk (1760 – )
Other Spouse & Children
Julia Scot (1726 – 1755)
M:Sun Fish Cornstalk (1741 – 1774)
M:Elijah Keigh tugh quah And Julia Scot Cornstalk (1744 – 1760)
M:Absaloma Alistock “Absalom Ailstock” Cornstalk of Lexington, Rockbridge, Virginia (1748 – 1858)
M:Abraham Alistock “Abraham Aylstock” Cornstalk of Botetourt, Virginia (1750 – 1855)
M:Michael Ailstock Cornstalk (1760 – 1795)
Amanda: I am just looking into my family tree I have no facts as of yet but I found a Turner married to Mary cornstalk is there more than one I know I’m Shawnee and Cherokee I have 2 chiefs telling me and when I gave a list of names to the Shawnee chief he said I am Cornstalk bloodline but I still want to work on my tree I have a few names on both sides of my family I am born a Stanley and off that was the king family that I have found so far now off the Turner side I have Shepherd Brown, White, Asberry, so far I still have family in point pleasant but I just found them there all around my age and don’t know much on the family so if anyone knows anyone of those last names It would help I’m not out to make anyone mad or to get proof I just want to find the family tree and not wait on the chiefs because I know they are busy with other things.
Dear Amanda, I hope this answers a few of your questions and maybe stirred a few more. I’m deeply sorry that the Chief’s are to busy to help, so I will try to answer as much as possible. Maybe try to read a few of the comments by one reader named Grim. He works with the tribes on their history.
I’m also hoping that with this post someone with more knowledge than I can report my mistakes and I’ll be happy to fix any. I’m sure I’m missing a child here as well so that may get fixed here too.
I’m posting a pic of CORNSTALK’S Headstone
Images are of multiple tribes. Including video of the Edison early films of the Ghost Dance.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family!
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
An ideal cannot wait for it’s realization to prove it’s validity. ~ George Santayana
October 11, 2010 at 11:16 am
Background information:
M: Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832) – later became Chief.
Julia Scot
Birth 1726 in Edinburg, Scotland
Death 1755 in Loudon, Virginia, USA
her children changed their Surname to Ailstock.
1810 Census: Jacob Alstott Botetourt, Virginia may have been a son as well.
October 11, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Isaac Turner, son of Matthew, married Mary Cornstalk I have no dates on him but I know some how my grandmother is related any one know that name Isaac turner and yes I thought there was 2 mary cornstalks so you have got me on a family hunt told all my freinds I will not stop looking now i just have to put it all togather I have got some help from the sub chief he told me to come back up to ohio and look all i want at the many books of names so Im going back up soon before the snow hits
October 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Dear Amanda,
I’d love to go with you and look. Is that even a possibility? I’m not a direct descendant, but I’ve been tracking them for a very long time. Nothing would make me happier than to look at the materials myself. I don’t speak the language, but I can would muddle through. Its a foot in the door.
Sorry, that was too bold to ask. Let me know what you find out. I too, am very anxious to know what they have on the family. Any news is good news.
Also, if you could find out whatever happened to Little Nancy Adkins d/o of White Wing aka Big Nancy Cornstalk and Elijah Adkins, the family and I would greatly appreciate it.
Chief Cornstalk was Shawnee, you dais that you were part Cherokee, where is the split? On down the your family line or up at the Cornstalk era? Just curious, as to where they crossed lines.
Thanks again for your comments and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
October 11, 2010 at 8:12 pm
ok I found out my brother talked to the cherokee cheif today he putting a rush on our cards and also looking at getting the info to us on the tree so i will update that when it comes but my grandfather and grandmother had native on both sides im related to the king family too but i havent gotten very far on them
October 12, 2010 at 10:24 am
ok I found a hattie adkins married a turner anyone know anything one her?
November 28, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf,
Elijah Adkins, 16, son of Parker Adkins & Mary Bluesky Cornstalk, and “Big Nancy, or White Wing,14, when they married. Had 3 boys, and 1 girl, Little Nancy. Big Nancy left Elijah taking little nancy with her, ran away with Tecumseh. Elijah then remarried Nancy Hunter, our line continues with their eldest son,(Elijah & Big Nancy) Lewis Adkins(Atkins) found spelled both ways.
Lewis Adkins
B: 5 May 1785 U.S.
M: 28, Jan. 1804
D: 14, Jan. 1865
Married: Elizabeth Monroe
B: 5, Dec. 1784
D: 7 Dec. 1865
Son: Elijah Atkins (note Spelling)
If you are related to Chet Atkins, we are cousins. Have straight lineage from Cornstalk to my grandfather B.J Bailey also had cherokee on grandmothers side(married)Troutts listed on Dawes Roll Guion/Miller 1898 to 1914 father and son they are listed full blood cherokee, then their children are suddenly listed white and they moved to tennessee. Hope my info is correct, it is a difficult task when going back so far. Please let me know of your info and this info comes from family kept records, family bible etc.Hope it is helpful. I have heard your family name and Metcalf name, very interesting, receiving information soon that will confirm my information. Can’t wait to get it.
December 1, 2010 at 5:29 pm
hello everyone i have just learned that my family line of adkins is through elijah adkins and white wing cornstalk and would like to know how to prove the blood line,, i have not tied it into the rolls yet and dont know how. can anyone help please feel free to write
December 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm
ron adkins here ps email me at shellmadre@yahoo.com thank you.
i keep getting told that you have to be so much indian and have to be in the tribe from birth but i think that i didnt even know that i was indian untill i did the reaserch and now want to be apart of my haritage. i cant help that my elders left behind what they did i never would have.
December 1, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I am Marty’s 1st Cousin and learning about our heritage is very awesome. Marty has located other family members through his reaserch. It is awesome to connect with family members. Marty did find through his reaserch that we are related to Elijah Adkins,Hattie Adkins is our Grandfathers Mother being our great grandmother.
December 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Sheila,
You asked what happened to Little Nancy Adkins, Daughter of Elijah Adkins.
I have been unable to confirm a Daughter named Nancy for Elijah Adkins and Nancy Hunter.
December 29, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Hello from my records Chief Cornstalk is my 7 Great-Grandfather. From his children with Julia Scot. How can I find documents to prove this? Please help, my family is very interested but want proof because we have been tossed around so much with our Native American heritage.
December 29, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Dear Tiara,
Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk:
Corn Stalk aka Hokolesqua-Hokoleshka-Akulusska-Wneypuechsika-Keightughqua-Simaquan – born about 1710 PA-died 1777 VA – Major Chalakatha/Mekoche chief by 1749, with Creeks in AL for a short time in 1755 again for a short time in 1758, French-Indian War, Braddock, led raiding New-Shenandoah River valleys 1755, led raiding Ohio-New River valleys 1758, Pontiac War, lead chief of Shawnee at Bushy Run, led raiding New-Greenbrier-Jackson River valleys 1763, led raiding Ohio-Little Kanawha-Big Sandy-Kanawha-New River valleys 1772, lead chief Point Pleasant 1774, Chief of 20 tribe Northern Confederacy about 1755-77, associated with John Swift silver-mines about 1755-69, Council Ft. Pitt Nov. 1753, June 1762, negotiated Treaty 1757 with Col. Thomas Lewis Col. William Preston at mouth of Big Sandy River, Council Bouquet Oct. 1764, hostage of Col. Bouquet winter 1764-65, traveled to Shawnee in NC-NY-IL-KY-IN-PA-TN enlisting support 1774, Treaty 1765, Treaty Camp Charlotte 1774, murdered by whites at Ft. Randolph-Point Pleasant 1777, son of Okowellos, husband 1st by 1730 of Helizikinopo-Shawnee, 2nd by 1735 of Ounaconoa Moytoy-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee, 3rd about 1741 of Julia-adopted Scot-Mulatto, 4th 1763 of Catherine See-adopted white, other wives possible, father with Helizikinopo of Chenusaw/30, Wolf/33, Walker/35, Newa/37, Aracoma (Baker)/40, Greenbrier (Kennison)/41, Cornstalk Jr/42, Mary (Swift-Adkins)/44, Ellinipsico/45, Elizabeth (Petella)/46, Esther (Sowards)/48, Oceana/56-all Shawnee, with Ounacona of Black Beard/35, Black Wolf/41, John Wolf/50, Peter Cornstalk/55-all 3/4th Shawnee-Cherokee, with Julia of Sun Fish/41 Elijah Cornstalk/44, Absalom/50, Abraham/48 Michael Ailstock/52-all 1/2 Shawnee-Black-Scot Metis, with Catherine of Mary/64-1/2 Shawnee Metis, possible unknown children with all wives.
He reported married Julia (Adopted) Scot – listed as Mulatto in 1741. I’m not sure how you could get any documentation on their marriage. You could look around Virginia for any Ailstock records you can find, since most of her children took the name of Ailstock.
I’m sorry that I could not offer anything further. I have no other information on Julia than that.
Good luck and I hope you will let me know if you find anything further.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 2, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Hi my name is Keith King, I was told by my dad that someone in his family, had a tree and that we were from Cornstalk. I never knew my grandfather, but his name was Edward Webster King born in Charleston West virginia in 1882. I tried to find more information but hit a dead end with him, I do not know anyone else past that and I think that if I had his parents names, that would be the missing link. I did find a Mary king, daughter of Squirrel King so I a assuming this is my line. I do not know but if any of you know or are related to me in any way, Please let me know. Thank You on the behalf of the King family.
February 3, 2011 at 9:06 am
my great grandmother was a king I also have king family on my other side send me an e-mail lets see what I got and you got maybe we can help eachother I know I have few king names but who knows maybe one on your tree! astewart2699@aol.com
February 3, 2011 at 9:08 am
just incase I didn’t say where the cherokee is it is mixed in the cornstalk line he did marry a cherokee
February 19, 2011 at 11:02 am
Could anyone help with the name See my grand father was named Preston See. died approx 1919 out of lexington ky I have found an Elizabeth See and now on this site a Catherine See associated with Chief Cornstalk. Going back how does ourr family fit in to Chief Cornstalk. Thanks for any help.I kinda remember dad mentioning the name Metcalf. Thanks again
February 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Dear Dale,
Elizabeth Catherine d/o Frederick Michael See & Catherine Vanderpool “See” originated on my “STUMP” family tree, but collided into my “Adkins” family tree. So her relationship to me is as follows: Mother-in-law of 1st cousin 7x removed.
Now Elizabeth Catherine See took as her second husband the son of Chief Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk known as Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832) and he took her as his third wife. She mothered White Wing Nancy “Big Nancy” Cornstalk (1770-1843) whom married my uncle Elijah Adkins and ran off with Tecumseh Peekishnoah And Margurette Ice Tecumseh (1768 – 1813).
After Nancy ran off taking with her their only daughter, first husband Elijah took his sons, and moved away, changing their last name to Atkins.
You can investigate whether your family line merges with Frederick Michael See Born: 15 May 1720 in Schoharie, Schoharie, New York, USA – Death: 15 Jul 1763 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier, West Virginia, USA, as I imagine it would.
Marriage:
Name: Frederick Michael See
Spouse: Catherine Vanderpool
Birth:1710 in NY
Marriage:1744 in NJ
I do hope this helps in your research. If nothing else its a good place to start.
Thanks for your comment and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 19, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Thanks for the quick response my grand father Preston fathered my dad around age 62 and died around 1 year later he was the only child so dad never new his father and was only told about him by his mother. He grew up in Lexington KY. He is also gone we were blessed to have dad 77 years. Looking back I can certianly see the Indian features in him. Thanks so much.
March 2, 2011 at 5:22 am
Hi, I was hoping that someone had info on Esther d/o Chief Cornstalk who married Thomas Sowards. I would really appreciate it. My maternal grandfather is James Monroe Sowards. Thanks so much.
March 7, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Hi all again, I am still trying to see how my King family was tied into the Cornstalks, and I just recently discovered my Grampa Edward W Kings mom who was named Caroline Cochran may have been the Native Tie. So somewhere the Cochran name might be the key possibly, not sure yet but a new lead anyhow. Thanks Keith king
March 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Dear Keith,
What can you tell me about Caroline Cochran? I too have them on my tree, but swinging off of a very different branch.
Thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 10, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hi Sheila, sorry Caroline Cochran would be my great gramma, her dad was Preston Cochran. Caroline was born in 1859 Clay County Virginia, also Carolines husband was a James Stafford King, His mother was Elizabeth White Born 1828 in Virginia, her husband was Anthony King born 1831 virginia. I have not found who might have been on the cornstalk line yet but I am begining to believe we are not Native, I cant find any proof other than there were Kings in the Cornstalk line, but I do not seem to be linked to any of them from what I see. My mother told me my dad introduced her to 3 or 4 Indians that were on his side at my Aunt Lillians funeral but she does not remember their names and it was in the 70′s. So Amanda has been trying to help me make the connection and has been a big help. If you need any more infor I will try to get what I can on the Cochrans. I do know they tie into the Shamblins. thanks
March 18, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Mary Bluesky Cornstalk is my 7g grandmother. Lonnie Roe Adkins, son of Arch Williiam Adkins is my granfather. I have been doing research for ten years in attepmts to get a CDIB card from Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah. I live near there and could easily sumbit my application but I am having trouble finding a roll number in my direct lineage. Are there any Adkins that are in this lineage known to have had a roll number?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
March 18, 2011 at 9:12 pm
when it comes to roll numbers as much as I hate to say this many were lost and if they did not go when they where told too they may not have one as for with the cornstalk I know they were shawnee his wife moytoy was cherokee not sure on his other wives as for getting your card take your family line what ever proof you can get on who ever cornstalk bllod that traces you as a grandchild you may want to call the eastern cherokees that were I went though and now Im told that I can claim at least 2 more tribes from my family line I got the ball rolling on the shawnee card I have a Chewah card and still I don’t have my line they know it I don’t I am of cornstalk the only other way is a blood test to prove your native blood line hope this helps I have been working with alot of people the past 9 months and learned alot and to everyone always triple check your info if there 2 matches you should be good not everything you see or read is right
March 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I just want to let everyone know there planning a red man march 2012 you don’t need your card or to be native to help by coming were on face book and you can talk to me or franklin cornstalk to get info!
March 21, 2011 at 11:32 am
I did find that under Nancy Moytoy, sister to Moytoy of Tellico(who is Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk’s father), a woman by the name of Annie Davis Terrell b:1906 is on a Dawes card#6536 roll#15664 and Miller app#8031 roll#26653. Annie is the 5 great-granddaughter of Nancy Moytoy, great-granddaughter to MaryAnn Blackfox. Just thought I would share this information.
March 21, 2011 at 11:38 am
I seen a picture that my uncle Mark Adkins has of Joseph Preston Adkins b:1853 (my great great grandfather) and on the back it said full-blood Comanche. Can anyone affirm the validity of this? Or is it possible that he was just the Cherokee/Shawnee that we stem from and someone was misinformed?
March 21, 2011 at 11:59 am
Sorry, it seems I;m posting alot but I am hoping someone can help me with this as well. Elijah C. Adkins born 1827 married Catherine Ann C. Adkins, his parents were Joseph Adkins b:1830 and Dicey Halbert b;1807. I am stuck here, who are Joseph’s parents? I am assuming that Elijah and Catherine were cousins??
March 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I see that I’ve some incorrect dates and got my info crossed…Elijah C. Adkins b:1827 d:1891 married Sarah Ann C. Adkins b:1835 d:1876. Joseph Adkins b:1785 d:1830 married Dicey Halbert b:1807 d:1880. I still may have dates wrong for Joseph, but either way I cannot figure out who his parents are…cariewestbrook@live.com
March 23, 2011 at 8:17 am
Dear Carie,
I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I have read all of your posts, and was hoping someone with some first hand knowledge would respond, but since no one has, I will try to do some further digging. I don’t see them on my tree. I’m sure they are somewhere.
I did find:
Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002
about D Halbert
Name: D Halbert
Spouse: J Atkins
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1825
Marriage County: Knox
Marriage State: Tennessee
March 23, 2011 at 8:25 am
Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858
page 96
Gillispie, Evan, Jr. and Dicey Atkins, dau. John,Nov. 3, 1834. Sur. Joseph Adkins. 60.
March 23, 2011 at 6:30 pm
I have read many of the posts concerning Cornstalk and his descendants on your website. I also read part of Don Greene’s book on Google Books. I would like to email him and ask him whether or not he could answer a few questions for me about Parker Adkins who he says was possibly Shawnee-Metis. I am not sure what this means or where to go for confirmation of this. I don’t know if this means he was part Indian himself or what. Do you know how I might contact him?
March 23, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Dear Wanda,
Actually, yes & no. I have some old contact information for him, but it was given some time back and it was told to me that he didn’t really want to discuss it with me. So I’m a little fearful to give it out, and then you be met with negative comments. So, should you decide to contact him thru his publisher, then it will be your decision. I don’t want to be a go between. I hope he will speak to you about it, but I can’t make any promise. Please contact him directly if you feel that you need to do that. He may have a local book signing somewhere, that you might get an opportunity to speak with him. I wish you all the luck in the world.
Best Wishes and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 25, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Sheila,
After a bit more research myself, I believe that his father was Jesse Adkins, son of William V. Adkins. But it is possible that I am wrong. Thanks for your input. It can get pretty confusing, all this information. I am curious your thought on Elijah Adkins that married White Wing “Big Nancy”, do you believe his mother was Bluesky? Many sites/ppl show Bluesky and Parker V. to have been married in 1867 and Elijah was born in 1868.
March 26, 2011 at 8:08 am
Dear Charity,
Blue Sky only gave birth to two children. Littleberry & Charity.
Respectfully,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Hi,
Where can I find the documentation that Bluesky only had 2 children?
I know some books are meant to be fictional and simply entertaining.
I susspect there may be documentary “proof” somewhere like the National Archives?
I saw a photo of Elijah Adkins’s Son Levi Adkins and wonder if he appears to be Native American to you?
March 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Dear Bob,
The Shawnee Heritage II book is a book written by those whom have access to the reservation and to the History of the family. I’m not afflicted with it in any way. I have talked to Ronnie Adkins, author of Adkins, Land of York (Surrey County, England) to Beech Fork (Wayne County, West Virginia). Very nice guy and he’s done a massive amount of research on the family in Virgina and their history. He has contacted many of the relatives and this is the account that the family gives. I don’t know how much of it is fiction. I can imagine that some mistakes may have been made, a few wrong conclusions drawn, but I’m sure human error didn’t cloud all of it.
The biggest inconsistencies actually, lay with Mitha mother of Elizabeth Parker. http://adkinsmetcalffamily.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/mitha-1660-1754/. If you can follow that. See all Searchs on this blog related to “Mithaology.”
There are many – many Native American Indians in this line. But Charity & Littleberry are the only two children of Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk. All of the other children were born to first wife. See http://adkinsmetcalffamily.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/parker-vincent-adkins-1720-1792/
Thanks for your comment and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 28, 2011 at 11:57 am
I have just learned that I may be a descendant of Esther Cutewah CORNSTALK (1748 – 1777) who married Thomas Sowards. Can anyone tell me anything about her or this line. I am not familiar with researching an Indian ancestor. Thank you so much.
April 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Hi evryonne,
My family surname is Parrish and we have lineage to Greenbrier cornstallk daughter of Chief cornstalk. If you woul like I can get the info and post it for you.
April 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm
also if you have info on when parrish line comes in I would appreciate it..
May 16, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Just in case some of you were looking for a King Connection in Kanawha West Virginia, I finally have a good start on my family tree, feel free to view it here. I know there were a few people trying to find their King ties so hope it helps someone here let me know. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/790966/family
May 19, 2011 at 9:41 am
My Adkins line is from Tennessee near LaFollette. My father was Bobby Eugene Adkins, his father was James Adkins, married to Hazel Rose Wilson. Papaw (James) told us that he was born in the Oklahoma Territory before it was a state. He said he hated farming and ran away from home as soon as he could. Spent time as a gambler in New Orleans and then went back to Tennessee where he married an Indian cousin named Blue Sky. I hope this helps anyone else searching.
My dad had three sisters, Margie, Betty and Joyce Adkins.
May 19, 2011 at 9:44 am
so sorry, that was my Great grandpa who was born in oklahoma. I got that first hand from him in 1967, and he was 110 yrs old at that time. He had a daughter, Sarah Adkins who was my grandpa Jimmy Adkins’ sister. Also, Pappaw passed away December 26th, 1979. At his funeral were flowers from Bear Hollow Baptist Church in Tennessee where he was a deacon.
May 19, 2011 at 11:51 am
Dear Delene,
Are you saying that your Great-Great Grandpa was Parker Adkins from 1720-1792 in Montgomery County, Virginia? I didn’t quite follow that. We’re there two Blue Sky’s?
Can you run your line all the way for me?
Also, so you have a pic of your Grandpa that you would share? If so, email it to me at vvsfan@msn.com
This way I’ll know where you’re coming from.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 23, 2011 at 11:23 pm
did more on the family tree found the last name leftwich found a tree that said there related to litle berry anyone run accross that name?
May 31, 2011 at 3:03 am
Hello, my name is paul,and it was not until recently,thru research, bless my mothers hard work, that i am a descendant of Chief Cornstalk.He is my 6th great gradfather.I have searched many sites gathering information and i appologise if i may have intruded on yours……..
May 31, 2011 at 6:20 am
Dear Paul,
Please don’t apologize, that’s what its here for. To help gather information on our collective families. I’m glad you’ve found what you were looking for. If you’d like to share your line, we”d all appreciate it.
Thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
June 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Dear Sheila,
I am very confused at this point.Upon further investigation,I am finding many mistakes thru ancestry.com and other sites.The jouney strarted as i began to look into the Bokavar/Freind line.Little is known of Sarah Bokavar,I gather she was a indian princess of shawnee blood.I knew nothing of Chief Cornstalk,until i typed in her name in ancestry .com and it listed her father as being Chief Cornstalk…..The date of her birth 1711-1764 does not correlate of that of the Cheif.I just dont uderstand how other people are using her name in my line as being the daughter…
Thank you sincerely and to all of the Adkins family……….
June 1, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Dear Paul,
I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with your line. I haven’t followed it. Are you sure you have the right Chief Cornstalk? There were many of them. He too had sons. Most became some type of Chief if memory serves correctly.
The myth that she was an Indian Princess would be her name, not her status. The Cherokee denounce they had princesses. None to speak of. Shawnee have similar reports. I think it must have been more in terms of an endearment as apposed to a nobility.
Can you trek up your tree for me and tell me how you got to Hokoleskwa Cornstalk? If you wouldn’t mind sharing that, this will help me to isolate your line.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
June 1, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Dear Sheila,
I am very sorry to bother you with my line.I was at a dead end with Sarah Catherine Bokavar until i punched her name in ancestor.com and i mean hundreds of people where claiming her to be the daughter of Hokoleskwa. But she was born before the Chief Cornstalk that is related to your family.I do know she married israel friend who was an Indian ambassador to the Shawnee Indians.The kings of 5 nations had givin him much land along the potomac above the Shenandoah River,and Antietam Creek,Which would then later become the great civil war battle.His deed is in a museum to this day…
June 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Sarah Bokavar married Israel Freind,im at a dead end with sarah who every one claims to be the daughter of Keigh-taugh-quah….NOT POSSIBLE.
Sorry to waste your time…..paul
July 22, 2011 at 9:37 am
Hi everyone ,you all have helped me so much ,I come through the Adkins line as follows
Myself
Samuel Paul Cochran
Virgil Cochran
Letillis Adams
Angeline Adkins
Cainaan Adkins
Hezikiah Adkins
LitteBerry Adkins
Parker V Adkins (married Bluesky Cornstalk
My father Samuel Paul left my mom when I was 6 months old ,and I am the only child they had together , I started looking up things on my own ,because I didnt know anything about my family on Dads side, I met a cousin from Wayne County WVa ,Glenna and she gave me a lot of pitures and bless her heart wrote on back everything I needed, I just want to think all of you ,you have helped me here and ,its a pleasure to know you are all related to me in some way ,
I wish I had some pictures of Cainaan and his father and so on,or any of the other family members ,
Thank you
Kathy Cheyenne
July 22, 2011 at 11:16 am
You’re very welcome and thank you for sharing your family tree with us. I know at some point in everyone’s life, they can’t go on, until the look back. I also know that at some point in your life the now you will reach back and touch the then you.
I’m not sure what would have happened in this couples life to cause a separation, but you’re the result of their union. Ordained and Blessed. So for that, you can always be thankful. I know I am.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
July 28, 2011 at 7:05 am
my name is Evelyn Brown. Everyone calls me Tynk, so I would appreciate it if you would also. My great grandma Is Minnie Ailstock. We are descendants of Chief Cornstalk. He is my 6th great grandfather. I would love more information if anyone would supply this for me I would appreciate it. Thank you, my e-mail is tynkerbell_1964@yahoo.com and you can find me on facebook under Tynk Brown.
July 28, 2011 at 8:50 am
Dear Tynk,
I think I’ve answered a few of your questions in today’s post. Please feel free to add whatever information that you may have on the family.
As Always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
July 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Tynk is brown your brith name? I have browns in my tree I also have whites and kings and turners and the list goes one I have found my link to cornstalk but the cheif said its there I did find other info my tree is has me lost the whites the browns all hit a dead end
August 16, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Hello to all
Any or all of you may contact me at
shawneeprof1@skybest.com
or
336-384-1501 during the day (EST) is best for me
sincerely hoping to answer some of your questions and maybe learn something myself
Don Spirit Wolf Greene
author of “Shawnee Heritage” and “Shawnee Heritage II”
August 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Dear Don,
Thank you in advance for your most gracious offer to aide the family in our research. I know you have worked on your research for many years now, although I didn’t read your book in it’s entirely, I did respect the work that went into it.
I do have many questions that I would like to pick your brain on sometime. Two off the top of my head are:
1). What happened to Little Nancy Adkins when her mother ran off with Tecumseh? and 2). Where did you get the Surname of “JONES” for Mary Frye of Alexander?
I have many many more and hope to get to them in time.
I’m very excited about this opportunity and appreciate your help.
Sincerely,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Sheila,
I am showing that Chief Cornstalks wife my 7th greatgrandfather was Helizikinopo Ounaconoa Moytoy from the wolf clan of the Cherokee
Then other places it has Ounaconoa Moytoy as his second wife ,which one is correct or are both
Thanks Kathy
August 21, 2011 at 9:36 pm
elizbeth akinson married a mayes I think anyone have her? and I think moytoy was the 2nd wife and I know she is the mother of john wolf cornstalk who later chaged his last name to avery I think I will have to look that up because 2 kids changed there names to there wife names astewart2699@aol.com if you want to talk on this part of family
August 22, 2011 at 7:29 am
Dear Kathy,
Helizikinopo was his first wife, Ounaconoa Moytoy was 2nd and Julia Scot was his 3rd wife. I know it gets kind of confusing since they, were basically, all married at the same time (Sort of like the Moses’ wives and concubines thing – too many to keep up with). I have a hard time sorting out the kids myself. For some, their lineage is well documented and others, not so much.
Wawwaythi Whitefish Okowellos”Ionoco” Sunfish & and 1st wife Katee “Bird” Mekoche, parents of Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, had so many children that their lines keep crossing.
Makes for a lot more of questions, maybe Amanda can ask for council with one of the sub-chief’s and see if she can see where the Shawnee & Cherokee split and which Ionoco & Hokoleskwa descendants went where and with whom.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 22, 2011 at 7:47 am
PS: I have Wolf Piaserka CORNSTALK (1733-1788) Shawnee, Perry, Ohio on my tree as the son of Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk & Helizikinopo.
Now, I’m not saying that my tree is 100% accurate. There’s always, a margin for mistake. I only have what was reported by the descendants and any part of it could be wrong or what they were told, but since we weren’t there, anything could have happened… I have cousins that were raised by people and they took their name, even though they was not their parents. One cousin was a born Howard, but went by Reed, not sure why. No one was sure what she put on her babies birth & death certificate, so it took some real digging to find.
I hope this helps.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm
It sure did and thank you so much ,I am trying to find where and how ,to check on getting enrollement for either ,and what I might need to do it ,can you help me with that ,I would so appreciate it because I know that Shawnee an Cherokee are entertwined here, I know they went by the mother and what Tribe she was from ,do we know on Katie Bird ,and you are right they crossed so much ,its unreal, I am going to be related to myself 3 times here lol
Thank You
Kathy
August 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Katee Bird was of the Mekoche Sept, in charge of health, medicine and food.
August 29, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Wneupuechsiki Keightughquah (photo above) ~~ does anybody know what Shawnee tribe of which he was Chief? Absentee Shawnee, Eastern Shawnee or Shawnee Tribe (Loyal Shawnee)?
August 29, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Dear Cherry,
The granddaughter Cornstalk, a member of the Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, Bear Clan Headwoman and member of the Konoohee Band… could tell you. You could ask her.
Good luck with that,
Sheila
August 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Shelia, I don’t know how to take your comment above but I would say most reading it would think you are being cynical of me. Anyway….IF you would like documentation to any of the above I can provide it. I don’t proclaim anything without proper documentation. :-)
Cherry, Chief Cornstalks Shawnee were Eastern Woodland Shawnee. The Absentee are the ones on the reservation. If you would like more information I would be happy to help you or you could email our Chief Don Greene at his above email address.
August 30, 2011 at 9:54 am
Dearest Debbie Adkins Vance aka Red Crow,
After our recent encounters, I would not recommend that anyone contact you. But, should they chose to, it’s on them. I would offer a word of warning to tread lightly. In my opinion, I feel that you’re a harsh and spiteful woman, with whom, I would not have a direct fellowship.
We share the same Adkins Surname, but not demeanor. Granted we are related, same heritage, different line, working for same endeavor. But, I personally feel no kinship.
I had asked did ask for proof, and was shunned. Luckily, a wonderful woman came to my aide and I haven given her full credit. When that was all I had asked for. You made serious accusations and yet, I was polite to you; went as far as to try to stay on your good side. I see now, that you don’t have one.
So as for me and my house, I choose not to, but would not want to stop anyone else, whom is willing, to do so. I wish each and everyone of them the best of luck and the same to you.
Have a nice day!
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 30, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Shelia I am so sorry that you can’t remember from one post to the next what you are saying. YOU told Cherry to ask me! Now you say you wouldn’t recommend me? Which is it? I only answered the girl.
As for the other accusations, I only stated the facts, that there was information omitted from Don Greenes work because Mitha is there. I did not say you omitted it, if you go back and read, I said “In transcribing, copy/paste, or where ever you got it, she was omitted.
August 26 at 11:46pm” It could have been done by anyone if you got it from a webpage. I did try to help in telling you that it was Don Greenes work and he could help you farther if you needed it. I was also trying to help you by telling you Mitha was omitted from the work you had published on your pages. The whole problem here with you is I recgonized my Chiefs work and asked you to give him credit for it which is the rightful thing to do when you use someone elses work. You have a note at the end of some of the work saying it came from The Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, which Don Greene is the Chief of, then you go on in a comment to tell me “Actually, this is from Ancestry.com copied from my own family tree. I assure you, I don’t own his books, and I’ve only consulted with one person, well now two, that even knew him.” If you think about it and read it, you can see where I would become confused as would anyone else reading it. You have two polar opposite statements on the same post on your facebook 1. giving credit to Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, then 2. Ancestry and your own family tree. Again, which is it?
Then you try to tell me that a man named Grin gave Chief Don all his material? “If there are any of his work there it would have been sent to me, possibly by the same person that sent it to him. A professor named Grin, I’m looking for his posts now, talked a lot about it. But I’ve talked to so many people over the last few years and we’ve speculated so many times. The last few entries, I got was from the Shawnee Nations Genealogist and was told to not talk to Don Greene. I said, “Not a problem!” I never have.
Saturday at 8:26am ” I assured you Grin is not a professor and that I knew him as did our Chief. They worked together on some research and if he gave you information then you should have noted him also……again, the right thing to do.
I didn’t ugly talk you but you have repeatedly said sarcastic remarks against me on your facebook and here. The above post is one, which mocks the very being I am. As I told you, I can prove who I am, I have documentation. I don’t take lightly someone making fun of me and my Native heritage. I am a member of the Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, Chief Don Greene is my Chief, I am a member of the Konoohee Band, Chief Copperhead Chris Winnell is my Chief and of both I am the Bear Clan Headwoman. On your facebook you have also made comments, one “Sheila Jean Metcalf its worse than that! Wild animals I an get used to, its old crows that make me crazy!” AFTER I told you my name is Red Crow! You may claim Native blood but no true Native would ever make fun of a sister or brothers name, EVER! Again above you say I am a harsh spiteful woman. Where have I called you names?
My contact with you is over. I am Cornstalk and all I want is peace and for the truth to be told but you make it hard. God bless you.
Debbie Red Crow
August 30, 2011 at 9:03 pm
The action IN our words will be the footsteps that many will follow from your site….No honor will be gained by people creating family connections that are not their own.
Facts are facts and making up stories has no place in genealogy regardless of how entertained some may be by it. You do NO ONE a service by misleading with half truths. I do not know you personally but I can tell from your research that you have taken a lot of creative liberty with the Cornstalk family genealogy.
A genealogist’s behavior needs to be impeccable at all times in their research. We honor our ancestors in our deeds and the actions we follow. And when those that create a history around half truths must face these grandmothers in the next life…. I hope you hang your head in shame for denying your true lines in order to claim those that make better bragging rights.
Amanda does not yet have proven Cornstalk direct line…and it is not her place to be adopting total strangers into a family tree that she doesn’t even know is her own. Having cousin connections to cousins with Cornstalk lines does not make you a Cornstalk. Amanda is giving many the impression that she is a card carrying Cherokee and also a Shawnee direct line of Chief Cornstalk….and has been raised in the traditional ways of the Shawnee….all of which is NOT true. The card that she is referring to is one that she or some family member BOUGHT at a pow wow. When you go forward claiming Cornstalk direct blood and flashing a Wannabe fake card around as your proof….you not only make yourself look like a FOOL but you discredit the whole family.
As for your mean and nasty comments about Debbie Adkins Vance aka Red Crow…you should be ashamed of how you have spoken in such a disrespectful and condescending way. I have worked closely with Debbie In REAL genealogy…not mythology as you seem to prefer. As a word of advice…get out of your fairy tale stories and try using the standard tools of a REAL genealogist….census records, birth records, land deeds, and facts…REAL FACTS! And my advice goes double for Amanda…I have worked LONG hours on your family line….and to see you go forward with MY work making claims of TOTAL falsehood should give any one with morals cause for shame….but no worry for you AMANDA you have NONE! I am done with the likes of you. I hope someday that you face your REAL grandparents and must explain WHY you chose to ignore them and claim another so that you could have creditability in the Native world in which you have no legitimate claim!
August 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Dear Donna & Debbie,
As for being a Cherokee descendant, I am. That has never been in question. My mother’s mother was as was her mother, she spent many a weekend with her family on the reservation in Missouri. Leave them out of this. My uncle Jim & aunt Jackie are both still living and can attest to this. My cousin Sandy is the only one that embraces it, she has every inch of her home, decorated in Cherokee family (everything).
This is Ohio, you don’t need a card to get on the reservation. You only need one for states like Missouri, etc.
I too have spent 100 +’s of hours, looking at old family books, census records, visiting and interviewing, and the like. I get 100′s of emails from family members all over. I was once locked in a cemetery, had to call 911. I’m sure you may remember that.
The old crow message was about a vignette that I placed in my living room. Its part of a song, “The wise old owl and the big black crow.” I bought 2 owls from Kroger and needed the crow! If we were actually “FRIENDS” on Facebook, you would have seen the picture and the reference to my friend Kelly, who has the old black crows, all over her house, but I can’t find one for that Fall vignette and asked to borrow one. See pix! Brady is one of my old neighbors, and we share lots of things – like sarcasm, I spent the day at Ikea shopping for an upcoming wedding and I don’t have time to go to any Rustic country stores, to look for one and the pip berry spray to go with. I hate leaving things undone – don’t you? No apology necessary!
I would like to say that I reread your posts and all seem hostile to me, I’m not sure where I was mislead or was misleading. I did get my info from someone as you know. And, lots of IM’s telling me to avoid Don Greene, that he was an arrogant man, only after I had posted that he posted on my blog and was willing to help with any questions. I had gotten this information a long time ago, but dismissed it, because I had no proof. None was offered. You admitted scoping out my blog many times, and yet didn’t offer it until now.
Grin: In my comments that Garen aka Grin said that I had quoted his research. I said, I had looked all over my blog and could not see where he had added anything that I could quote or would need to for that matter. We had never met, nor had he shared any pertinent information, nor did I have access to his work. See all of his comments. (I couldn’t pick the guy out of a tree).
You had asked about my saving my research notes and giving credit where credit was due. I keep all my notes on here or on Ancestry.com. I then just copy & paste them to emails, my blog, etc. Since, I share everything that I have with the family, when I get it, so that we all have the same information, to keep building on, you’d have to go back to every single post on this blog to see that. I have a very full life and work feverishly ever minute of it. I don’t have time to boost people’s ego’s. This is HISTORY! You can’t change it, you learn from it. It happened, we take the time to teach our children what we have learned. So that we never forget. It has already taken place, and someone remembers, we just have to find that person.
I’m sure it won’t make any difference here one way or the other, I don’t intend to turn this into a cat fight.
You and I, could have had a nice relationship, had you offered what you had to the whole family, long before now and come to me in private – to set me straight – so to speak, but you didn’t do that. I may have mishandled it as well, its hard to know how someone is framing their comments when writing, unless they’re professional writers with proof readers. To make no mistakes. Its all moot now, since it’s gone too far for that.
Next time, we’ll stick to Farmville.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 31, 2011 at 11:47 am
WHEN did they add a reservation in Missouri….shouldn’t the Federal government know about that sort of thing or is this too another of the mythology stories. If you had read my above post and comprehended what I was saying, at no point did I even mention your Cherokee heritage, only Amanda’s. Also at NO point did I mention a NEED to have a card to get ON a Reservation in any state. The card I mention was the FAKE card that Amanda is using to claim or IMPLY that she is a Federal Recognized Native American. Card paid for at Pow Wow are FAKES!
You know you had a really good idea with this whole thing but you let it get out of hand when you took creative liberties with your work. Now everything that you have every worked on is suspect. And I pity all those that have added your questionable work to their genealogies…because now they to must purge the fiction from the facts. You do NO ONE a service when you create the appearance of facts with other REAL genealogist’s work…..just saying…..
August 31, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Dear Donna,
I’m sorry that you persist in attacking Amanda, and I have no idea why. She is not a party to this in any way. So for you to attack someone outside this query seems a bit harsh.
I’m not sure what is questionable here. What I have invented? Its all HISTORY and it’s accurate as far as I know. I was told by several people that Mitha was the daughter of Straight Tail, which even Debbie Vance, says is true. It was not given to me by Debbie, nor did she help me in any way, to get any information.
My mother was born in LaCygne, Linn, Kansas and her family lived in Missouri. They traveled weekends to visit them on the reservation. I didn’t get an exact address and she has since past away. I have held pictures of it and my relatives in my own hands. Given to me by my Grandpa Stump that has now past away. It was really old and broken, so I discarded it, or I would post it here. He came across country as a child in a covered wagon and my oldest sister owns the quilt that his mother made (its made from white flour sack with red pattern) that he had with him. Its really old and I know it’s true. I sat through many a story as a child with him and my Great aunts & uncles rehashing it all. I was a child, but I was there.
My uncle Jim may know its whereabouts, but it’s not relevant here. I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about, “the appearance of facts.” What is that all about? I’m sorry, I am truly at a loss here.
Are you arguing about something “specific,” that I can address or just for the sake of arguing?
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_are_the_different_Cherokee_reservations_located
There is only one “Cherokee Reservation” in existence, that is located in North Carolina and held by the Eastern Band of Cherokee. It is not a ‘normal’ reservation however, in that it recognizes a line and defines land holders within 100 miles of that line to be ‘in’ the reservation.
The “Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma” has jurisdiction over several counties there, but it is NOT a reservation. The state of Oklahoma is in itself a ‘reservation’ to Indians.
There was a “tribe” (not to be confused with a reservation) called the Missouri’s which were Algonquian, as our Shawnee are also.
There are Cherokee living in Arkansas and Missouri but they are not on a reservation. They refer to themselves as The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory.
I also find Lost Cherokee of Arkansas and Missouri Inc. who are seeking tribal recognition but as of now, have none.
Here is a list of tribes, again NOT to be confused with reservations. Although it needs to be updated, it is pretty good for reference.
http://500nations.com/tribes/Tribes_State-by-State.asp
August 31, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Hello….most of the stuff that you ramble on about here seems to be relevant…I am NOT surprise that you can’t keep your own facts straight…even if you were trying.
As for me attacking someone outside of this query….Here is what YOU posted at the top of this page….IN YOUR WORDS…This post is for AMANDA and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle:
I mentioned in my first post that I DID months of research as a favor for Amanda….WE all know that she does NOT have a Cornstalk direct line….being the niece of a man that wife’s grandfather is Cornstalk is a fancy way of saying “this is NOT my LINE” and the way you have this posted you are saying that this is Amanda line which it is NOT! Ask Amanda why I have issues with how she is using my genealogy work. I am sure IF she told the truth that there would be further doubt what the problem here is.
And it was just so lovely to see how you jumped at the chance to use Debbie to regain creditability on the subject of the history of Milta which was NEVER been mentioned or doubted. And don’t expect me to go through your mountains of misinformation and point out your errors….if you had done the job right in the first place as you should have, this conversation would not be taking place! And I REPEAT from my first post….A genealogist’s behavior needs to be impeccable at all times in their research. THAT is the problem I have MOST with your ramblings. I will waste no more of my time with your silliness! Ramble on…so be IT!
August 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm
This post is for Amanda and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle: Post Date :
October 11, 2010 at 11:06 am. Amanda had asked the original question and then the post took on more. Its had a lot added to it and more added to it since then. I cannot alter the original posts without changing it all. That’s why, I keep making new posts.
Mitha was the daughter of Straight Tail.
Mitha was the mother of Elizabeth Parker, wife of William Adkins/Atkinson. ~ ‘Lyn’
September 15, 2011 at 11:51 am
I am decendant of Elijah Adkins to Lewis,married Elizabeth Monroe.Down to their da- Elizabeth(Hubbs)da Malinda Hubbs.ma-Howard Alexander Monroe then to Albert.Anyway confused with line,several places showed on tree Elijah was son of Parker and step son of Blue skies.Richard mar-White wing had 3sons and one da.She left with da-White wing showed dad young Cornstalk and Elizabeth C. See.Guess that makes Lewis half Indian ??So confused,also Chet Atkins were decendants of my gr-parents Lewis and Elizabeth Atkins.If ya can please set me straight,other side down from Mark and son calvin to Howard ,to Albert.Thanks Linda
September 15, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I found parkers with the adkins is that right?
September 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm
To Linda:
Yes the White Wing was the daughteer of Young Peter Cornstalk and Elizabeth Catherine See. Young Peter Cornstalk(Peter II) was 1/2 Shawnee 1/2 Cherokee. Elijah himself was Shawnee-Metis (Indian-European), as Parker V. Adkins was Shawnee-Metis. White Wing left Elijah and became the 3rd wife of Tecumseh. Richard Adkins was my 5th great grandfather. I don’t have my papers handy, where does Lewis tie in?
September 16, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Anita, you should look at the Tipsword,Sowards, Beck, Force web site for some answers. It appears I am from a Doty line that runs thru a different line than Cornstalks. although the Doty’s and Cornstalk are related. Do you know of any connection of Daniel Boone and cornstalk ?
September 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
i was wondering if anybody had information on family tree. my 3g grandfather david crockett coleman married mary ann thacher aug.31,1865.her fathers name was nathaniel thacher mother delilah blackburn. absolom thacker married nancy adkins. i think this is 4g or 5g grand mother where the shawnee indians comes through the family blood line. im trying to establish the blood line and if anybody could help.
September 25, 2011 at 11:04 am
Hello, my name is Lawrence Clark, I am a 6th great grandson of Chief Cornstalk through Bluesky and Parker to the Adkins line (Charity & Chloe) to the Clark line of Huntington, W.V.
However, I reside in N.Y. with my mother’s people, my father, a Clark resides in CA, but his family still resides in Huntington.
My mother ( part Mohawk of the 6 nations Canada ) and I will be traveling to Point Pleasant on Sept 26,2011 to visit my 6th great grandfather’s burial site.
We will post pictures after our return home.
Good to know everyone here.
Lawrence
September 29, 2011 at 9:17 pm
How can you continue to spread the lore connecting the Ailstock family with Chief Cornstalk when there is NO evidence to support it? DNA testing shows that the male Michael-Absalom-Absalom line in the Ailstock family was African NOT Native American. They were likely the descendants of free negroes and are more connected with the Melungeons than the Shawnee tribe.
September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am
Dear Geoff,
The majority of the Family were Melungeon aka Mulatto, most of them intermarried. Its not lore, its history, documented fact from historical records. There are no Native American DNA markers. I can’t express it any other way. His third wife was Julia Scot. Her children rebelled against the family for whatever reason(s) (lots of speculation).
1850 United States Federal Census about Absalom Ailstock
Name: Absalom Ailstock
Age: 94
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1756
Color: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): District 51 and A Half, Rockbridge, Virginia
Family Number: 285
Household Members:
Name Age
Absalom Ailstock 94
Nancy Ailstock 47
Margaret Ailstock 16
In 1850 Absalom aka Absaloma Alistock Cornstalk, and his wife Nancy lived in Rockbridge as did his son Absalom. He also, reports being born in 1756, which would have been around or after the death of his mother. Family believes him to have been born around 1748. These were very common mistakes. You have to check them against other documents from the time, but he (or someone else) reported his Color as Mulatto. Mulattos may also be an admixture of Native American, South American native and African Americans according to Henings Statutes of Virginia 1705, which reads as follows: “And for clearing all manner of doubts which hereafter may happen to arise upon the construction of this act, or any other act, who shall be accounted a mulatto, Be it enacted and declared, and it is hereby enacted and declared, That the child of an Indian and the child, grand child, or great grand child, of a negro shall be deemed, accounted, held and taken to be a mulatto.”
Due to this Historical document, today we have Caucasian people with birth certificates that read, as Negro, Black or African American due to their mixed-heredity; heredity lineage dating back that far.
Thanks for you comment, I do appreciate your input. I’m sure it won’t clarify it in your mind, nor change your thinking on the matter, but it does in mine.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
October 2, 2011 at 8:54 pm
You are correct the many people of native or mixed heritage where labeled as ‘Negro’ or ‘mulatto’ in state records due to the racist Plecker Laws and one-drop rule practiced in Virginia but that misses my point entirely.
Paternal DNA testing from the Michael-Absalom-Absalom line show their ancestry to be Bantu African rather than Native American. There is no way they are the direct sons of Chief Cornsalk. My Ailstock line married into Native Monacan families in Amherst County so the family does have some Native American blood but it is not from the direct male line but from the mother’s families.
I would love to continue a dialogue and open to any evidence that shows anything to ton contrary. The Cornstalk story has existed in our family for many years but that does not make it true.
October 8, 2011 at 9:16 am
does anyboby know how the coleman name comes into play. my 3ggreat david crockett coleman married maary ann thacher. how do you prove your indian heritage. it looks like marry ann thacher father was absolom thacher who married nancy adkins. if this is true nancy adkins was 1/2 shawnee indian.anyboby with information would be helpful. im trying to do my family tree on the coleman side.
October 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I am having a problem with Nancy Adkins,who were her parents ,I have Nancy married to Littleberry my 5th Great grandfather ,but which Nancy was married to Elijah that left him for Tecumseh
Thanks Kathy
November 30, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Hi there Sheila, hope you had a very good Thanksgiving. Since I first posted, I am happy to say that my father, Bobby Adkins has been found after 15 years and is now at home with us. This will make tracing my Adkins heritage a bit easier. He still insists that his grandmother was full Cherokee but that they lived very high up in the mountains of Tennessee. I understand there is a DNA test which we can take to prove our heritage. Do you know which ones might be best suited to what we need?
Thanks so much for your time and devotion to our family.
November 30, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Dear Delene,
Thank you for your kind words, I do know that my Uncle Denny Ray Adkins took the swab test. He sent it through the Ancestry.com ‘s DNA testing place, so that the results would be registered and to find other DNA matches. They send you the results of others with the same markers. I think it was about $75 or so. I’m not sure, I’ll have to double check on that.
Also, on this site are links to the Adkins DNA project as well as the Melungeon. Any of those would be good, but it would be nice for him to be registered. I always, say that if it were up to me, I’d DNA everyone at birth, for posterity sake.
Thanks again for your comments and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
December 8, 2011 at 9:14 pm
In light of DNA testing (23andMe), take the test. If you have 1 fullblooded Native Ancestor within 5 generations (4th great grandparent) you should show some Asian (appears for NA heritage). If you want to enjoy the fantasy, don’t take it. DNA test can show ugly truths.
Talking citizenship and not heritage, there are many tribes that are not federally recognized because they cannot prove as a tribe prior to colonization, no language and cannot prove to be descended from Native American peoples, among other qualifications.
Native American heritage is very unique in that most people today, do not really have it as they believe they were told.
Anyway, with regard to Cherokee’s since it is the tribe de jour there are only 3 federally recognized tribes of Cherokees. They are originally from the Southeast of the US and were driven (with other civilized tribes) west via trail of tears between 1832 and 1839. There Cherokee in NC being the last to leave. The Estrn Band formed from Indians that hide in the mountains. The three tribes are.
Estrn Band Cherokee in NW No. Carolina – Need to be 1/16 BQ
Cherokee Nation in OK – No degree BQ, just trace to the Dawes Roll
Konoohee Band in OK – Need to be 1/4 BQ
There are no Cherokee reservations out in Missouri that are authenticated as Native American tribes, regardless if they are giving out cards or popcorn. There are a lot of Cherokee fake tribes running around and these people have none to maybe few drops if any NA ancestry. They have cards, enrollment etc. American Indians don’t start fake tribes, Europeans clinging to vestiges of NA blood if any, do.
It is a crime to steal heritage from another group of people. This has made a mockery of the Cherokee peoples. We are a Native people with our own culture. I encourage people with actual Cherokee ancestry to learn their heritage.
The point of having a tribe federally recognized is so people with actual American Indian ancestry register with actual members of the Cherokee tribe who are not Europeans but real Indians. There are people that have NA ancestry but cannot prove descent because not every Indian especially on the Southeast of the US registered on the Dawes or Baker Rolls.
Just because a state may recognize a claimed Indians group as a *Tribe* does mean they are authenticating it or the people. If the IBA (Indian Bureau of Affairs) cannot validate this, you are not considered an Indian tribe and you cannot claim legal status as an Indian.
There is nothing wrong with saying, you have Cherokee ancestry or Native American heritage, please do not say are are *part Cherokee*, you are either a Cherokee citizens or you are only of Cherokee heritage.
December 9, 2011 at 12:58 am
Thank you! The Ailstock family was African American and DID NOT descend from Chief Cornstalk but is listed on this site and others as his descendants. I would guess this is true of others as well.
January 11, 2012 at 12:22 am
Parker V.Adkins married Mary Fry.Parker fathered two children by Bluesky Cornstalk.Charity and Littleberry.Parkers’ nephew Randolph”Randy” Adkins married Charity.Randolph “Sprang”Adkins, Jr was born.There are two William Adkins also two Parker Adkins or more.William Adkins son Matthew T. married America “Merkie” Adkins had sons named Blackburn Belva and James Anderson Adkins,both are great grandparents to me thru my Dads’ mom and Moms dad.Now whos’ confused?Try sorting your family with that.Thanks for listening.RAA
January 11, 2012 at 9:51 am
Yes RA Adkins, Parker did marry Mary Fry(e) and from what we can discern from our family lore- he also married Bluesky in traditional Indian fashion. This lore has been handed down from Charity to her daughter Chloe Etta Adkins-Clark ( my son’s direct lineage ) I want to think that Parker may have thought he might get away with it, and thought he would where concerning his wife, Mary Fry(e) until when Charity and Littleberry approx. age 6/8 where taken to Parker and Mary’s home to be left, as Bluesky was ill (we now believe this to have been T.B.) Bluesky ( as per lore ) died in VA close to 2 yrs after leaving her children with their father, Parker.
Anybody have anything different ?
Theresa Knowles-Northup Caparco, Rochester, NY.
Mother of Lawrence Clark.
January 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I have found a lot of birth dates too close to parents birth dates.So I tried to follow a path of their travels on Google Earth.Noting places called Indian Grave or Pigeon.Known Indian carvings in Wayne and Salt Rock,WV.the carvings at Salt Rock,WV called Prom Queen.I thought of Bluesky.Placing the pic on a map.the hands are right for Falls at Guyan River,left for falls at Little Coal.The TeePee would be at Point Pleasant area.Dots beside left shoulder, stars showing direction.I believe they follow moon signs.Month of the births counted back 9 months.Bluesky marrying a married man don’t seem correct.Big Laurel in Lincoln Co.,WV has a lot of Cemetaries with Adkinses.
January 22, 2012 at 2:25 am
I have heard my family is related to cornstalk, I have not done a tone of research, but does any of it ever bleed into family name “Bricky” from KY?
January 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Dear Ashley,
As for my tree. I had three surnames of Brickey, Brickley and a Brickens. One each; all woman that married in. I don’t have any others on my tree, nor have I seen any connection, but that’s not to say they aren’t there. I just haven’t covered that. I’m been researching more from West Virginia as of late, so I haven’t looked at any more of the Cornstalk lines. Please do work on your tree and see where that goes. Please do contact the local Nation and see if they have any records of whom from your line may have married in. Cross reference names & dates.
Good luck and thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 4, 2012 at 1:29 pm
First, I would like to say that I have found more information on this site than I have anywhere. :)
My maternal grandfathers line is Adkins from West Virginia.
My paternal grandfathers line is Lowe-Adkins from Tennessee.
I apologize, if you are duplicating your answers. But, I am having difficulty in find actual verifcation to either proove or dis prove our Native American heritage.
Christine Carroll (NC) 1801? married Michael Lowe (TN)
The family story states that she was full Cherokee. While searching online, I had the option to come to this site. It appears that there was an answer :)
I think it may have been posted sometime ago.
I want to thank you in advance for your time and consideration!
Be blessed!
Lisa
February 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I guess that I should be more specific to the Adkins line. Sorry!
Christine Carroll (1801) NC and MIchael Lowe
Louisa Carroll (1837) Lowe married Lacy Levi Adkins (1838)- born in TN
Lacys parents were John (Jackie) Staton Adkins and Mary Saunders – NC
The story is that Christine Carroll was full Cherokee.
A distant relative stated that Mary Saunders ( Mary Ann) was, or her family was on the rolls.
I have searched, and e-mailed. However, I am unable to substantuate any of the family legends.
Again! Please accept my thanks!
February 4, 2012 at 1:58 pm
My ancestor H.J. Fry was from West Virginia, before going to Ohio, I haven’t connected him to any Native American lines yet.
I wonder if your Adkins line might be mixed with the Cherokee and Shawnee. I see some have Cherokee flags with the Adkins listings online.
February 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm
:) Thank you
February 5, 2012 at 8:41 pm
My Family is Sevier Valentine Sevier married Anna Friend Daughter of Sarah Bokavar & Isareal Friend. Family lore says she was Cherokee all roads lead to the saying the Indians accepted them in the community So I believe she was Shawnee, Cayuga or Cherokee , If you can help since I checked Passengers lists no Bokavar or listed???
February 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Dear Sandy,
The history of Colonel Valentine Sevier and wife Joanna Goad. His son General John Sevier are fairly documented. I’m not sure exactly what you’re after. By his first wife, Sarah Hawkins, Sevier had ten children, and by his second wife an unknown Cherokee Indian, he had eight children. Grandson Valentine Sevier was a legitimate son. He & Mary Arnett had John Sevier that married Anna Friend. As for Anna, you’d have to follow her tree up and see where it goes. It would have to be either Creek or Cherokee. Sorry, I personally have never tracked their history.
March 7, 2012 at 1:05 am
I am wondering if there is anyway for you to help me. I am very new at this and am trying to find out how to get everything in order and who to contact in order to get my cards. Here is my information (This all pertains to my mother’s mother side of the family).
My maternal grandmother is Mae McCourt. My grandfather married Susan Christian (my GGM). Her father was Mastin G D M Christman (my GGGF). His father was T Christian-Cornstalk (my 3rd times GF). His father was Elinipsico Cornstalk (my 4th times GF). Then it comes to his father, Chief Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk (which would make him my 5th times Great-grandfather). My grandmother told me that she was 1/2, which would make me 1/16 Shawnee Indian. I am not sure where to go from here. Thank you so much. I have added a link (website) from ancestry.com to show you my tree from my mother’s side of the family.
Monica
March 18, 2012 at 11:44 am
Hello, I am from Wayne co, WV and my mother line runs through the Adkins side. I think! Ihave death record for a Sherrod Adkins 1775-1859. It shows his parents as Parker and Polly Adkins. I think that Mary was some times called Polly or not. I had some other info that he wsa the last child borned to Mary Blue Sky and Parker in Fincastle, VA. Then I hear that Mary and Parker only had two children. What was their marriage date?? Also info Ihave on Parker’s first wife is that they were married before he and Blue sky. Please help me. Thanks,
Connie
March 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Hi I’m so confused my GGGGG grandmother was Sarah Bokavar married to Israel Friend, all records says she is one of Cornstalk Daughters, Birth date way off, But I can’t find Bokavar family any where but to Sarah. Family Legion is Israel changed her name & passed her as white because in those day it was illegal for a said Marriage between Indians an whites. Israel was a good friend of the Shawnees by all accounts. My Mother always said she had Cayuga & Cherokee Blood. It makes sense since all three tribes lived in the same area. If you know of any records that can figure this out please let me know. Thank
March 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I found this hope it helps.About a Sherrod Adkins.http://genforum.genealogy.com/adkins/messages/5530.html
April 2, 2012 at 6:01 am
Hello, I’ve been working on my family line MATTESON for several years.
My gggrandfather Wm Tecumseh MATTESON born 1825 OH. I’m stumped!
My grandfather said that we were related to Tecumseh (the native American orator), somewhere in our family tree.
He mentioned that his ancestors were on the Trail of Tears, but wondered off
the trail, and came into IN? They said my Matteson ancestors were pale enough to pass for an Englishman?
Wm T. and his wife Sarah Jane Arnold were parents of several children, 6 of them were sets of twins, unfortunately 2 of the children from these sets didn’t
live to adulthood.
From looking at pictures of my grandfather Wm Clayborn MATTESON, and his
sons (one being my father) their skin was very leathery. Then thru other research, in a book that I had been reading my grandfather and Cheif Greenfeather from OK Territory had uncanny resemblances? They could’ve been twins, themselves!
I have found several MATTESON’s on the Dawes Rolls, but on their cards it really didn’t give me any answers? I was mostly interested in the Hester & Wm. MATTESON, where they started their trek for the T/T? Were they mother
& son?
Then in another book, from where I’d copied the main page, and one page of
MATTESON’s, a Eliza E.(16619?); Walter W. (16550?); Leo V. (10651?); Cora
(10652?); William (21921?); Albertus Hester (50654?); These are the numbers to the INDEX to the FINAL ROLLS of Citizens and Freedmen of the
Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory; Prepared by the Commission and Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Approved by the S of the Interior
Prior to March 4 1907. I believe if memory serves me right, came from the
internet < http://media.nara.gov/media/images/35/18/35-1766a.gif.
You can see I've done alot of research, and read alot of books over the last
several years.
I know from research the Shawnee indians were in the Southern IN area, and
someone posted on My Heritage about being related to Cornstalk; when they
were located in the Pike Co., IN area; which is where my gggrandfather Wm Tecumseh MATTESON was married to Sarah Jane Arnold, dau. of Joseph Arnold, where were before their marriage were located in Meulenberg Co. KY.
I'm not seeking any type of heritage which I'm sure we no longer have any
percentage of American Indian heritage anylonger, just would like to justify
any heritage.
I would like to make sure when I make this comment, following that I'm politically correct, which I'm probably not, but my grandfather said not to ever
mention that we are are AI decent, because if they would have another roundup of indians, we could be along with them?
I have contacted several family members around the same age of my grandfather, Wm. Clayborn Matteson, to ask them if they'd ever heard that we
were of American Indian heritage, and they said they'd all had heard it! This goes back to family members that were older than my grandfather, that were
still living at that time.
April 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I m having the same problems My grandparents were Sevier one married a Friend family member who mother was Sarah Bokavar who was suppose to be a daughter od Cornstalk I can’t find ANY FAMILY named Bokavar but her birthdate and Cornstalk birth date are way off, I was also told we had Cherokee/ Cayuga Blood?
April 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Chief Cornstalk was my Grandfather 9 generations back and his son married a Avey woman and thats when our name changed.
April 5, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@Sandy F., Sarah Bokavar is my 8th ggrandmother. I also noticed how messed up the dates of birth was. I deleted him as her father on my wall. B/C according to them, Cornstalk was 1 yr old when she was born, lol…
April 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm
My brother has been researching on ancestry.com and has discovered that Mary Sky may have been our great-grandmother, married to a Joseph Adkins I think? I live in Salt Rock, WV and don’t really remember hearing anything about having Indian heritage but that may be because nobody has researched it that far back. I am excited about the possibility of being a descendant of such an important and powerful man but also a little skeptical of anything found on ancestry.com. Here’s the line that I know for sure:
Andrea Glenn (me, Glenn is my married name)
Gary Walker, my father
Robert Walker, his father
Arnold Walker, Sr., my great grandfather
Elanor Ross, my great great grandmother and Arnold’s mother
Here’s what ancestry.com says:
Elanor’s parents were Elizabeth Adkins and Robert Ross
Elizabeth’s dad was Reuben Adkins
Reuben’s parents were Joseph Adkins and Sarah Sky Cornstalk
Sarah’s parents were Chief Cornstalk and Helizilkinopo Ounacona Snake Moytoy(?)
Can anyone give me any more information or verify any of this? Also, is there a chance that Mary Sky and Sarah Sky are the same person, or is Sarah possibly one of the children who weren’t documented? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
April 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I trust Ancestory .com because I typed in wrong info & they notified me it was incorrect, My problem is My GGGGGGGG Grandmother was Sarah Bokavar married at a young age to Isarel Friend it is said she was a daughter of Cornstalk also Her birth date and Cornstalk are way off. I think they made her older because Isarel might look like he married a child. After Isarel died Sarah married Valentine House so the children of Isarel could keep the land at that time it was illegal for Indians to own land. She left House went with one of thieir children to somewhere I can’t find a death record for her. So I don’t know if your Sarah is my Sarah. Good to find out though
May 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Hello,
I have been doing ancestry research through Ancestry.com for about a year now. I would love to have some confirmation that am on the right track on my maternal grandfather’s ancestral line. His family comes from Wayne Country, WV and is part of the Adkins family.
Here’s my grandfather’s line:
Norman Vaughan
son of Eria Adkins 1902-1976 (married Lucian Vaughan)
daughter of Harmon Adkins Jr. 1877-1911 (married Mariah Jane Napier – also of the Adkins line, see below)
son of Harmon Adkins 1838-1858 (married Mary Elizabeth Endicott)
son of Hezekiah Adkins 1800-1867 (married Nancy Spears)
son of Littleberry Adkins 1767-1853 (married Nancy Adkins)
son of Parker V Adkins 1720-1793 (married Mary Bluesky Cornstalk)
Mary Jane Napier
daughter of Julie Ann Ross 1850-1909 (married John H Napier)
daughter of Aranetta Adkins 1830-1857 (married James Madison Ross)
daughter of Hezekiah Adkins 1800-1867 (married Nancy Spears)
son of Littleberry Adkins 1767-1853 (married Nancy Adkins)
son of Parker V Adkins 1720-1793 (married Mary Bluesky Cornstalk)
My grandfather moved to Minnesota when he married my grandmother so I don’t really know any of my family in West Virginia. Any help/feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
May 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Hi Shiela and everyone..
I am John Charles Cheek, I’ve noticed that when comparing family trees a lot of the same surnames come up.. Wilkinson, Blankenship, Trent. then there is the Cornstalk connection. My GrGrGrandmother was Annie Elizabeth Ailstock she told her Daughter , Bertha Founds, that she was Indian through Cornstalk, I’ve also seen that her Grandfather Absolom Ailstock also said the Ailstocks were Indian, so that they could buy land… There are some who say that the Indian story is just fiction. I don’t know, but there are a lot of people who believe it.. Then Don Green lists the Ailstocks, Michael Absolom and Abraham as the sons of Julia Scott and Cornstalk.. He also adds that they had Shawnee families they abandoned when they returned to the whites..So much information must have a source, I’d love to see it, and would then proudly call myself of Shawnee heritage.. Family lore says Dads side was Cherokee, have had 0 luck proving that also…. What I have found is my family is thouroughy connected to names of people who are native, Cheeks, Wilkersons, Blankenships, Ailstocks, Goins and Adkins.. Oh and GrGrGrGrandmother Anna Olivia Roberts was supposedly Indian also. born 1824 in Rutherford NC.. So many hints so little proof, I am thouroughly frustrated..
May 4, 2012 at 9:04 am
Goins: see Gowen Research Project. The early Gowen family of Virginia (spelling changed many times) was from Angola, Africa). Ailstock (also many spellings) see Ailstock DNA Project led by Cathy Cranford-Ailstock. Shows all tested Ailstock paternal lines to be Bantu African. Stories without proof are just stories, even if very old! Mixed-race people in early America had every reason to invent Native American ancestry rather than claiming African American identity.
May 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I agree the evidence does seem to prove that there is no Native American in the YDNA of the Ailstock line.. I don’t think we can completely ignore the storys told by our ancestors however.. I think there is a strong Native connection within many of the Melungeon families. My YDNA haplotype is R1B1, about as europeon as you can get, yet there are many Cheeks on the Native American Rolls of several different tribes.. I’ve also seen that there are many Goins who do have Native American DNA, Lumbee and Croatan. I think the current Chief of the Lumbee’s is a Goin.. Shawnee or Bantu, my 5th great grandfather Absalom Ailstock was an amazing man, and I’m proud of him.. I just don’t agree with the several Ailstock researchers who so passionately denounce any mention of a connection to Hokelessqua. Actually it was better to be Black in America in the early years than Indian, the blacks had more rights..
May 4, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Just noticed in my previous post I made a mistake in quoting Absalom Ailstock, what he actually said was “We shamed ourselves. We were Indian, but we told them we were black so we could buy land” , I’m not a professional geneologist, I’m just trying to track down the family history for my children and grandchildren. I love the old story’s and I think the Ailstock family is the most interesting of my Ancestors… Then there are the Wilkinson, Wilkersons….
May 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm
My grandmother was Dorothy Turner Inge ,daughter of Robert who married Susan Ailstock,daughter of Levi Simon Ailstock, son of Andrew and Sally Ailstock ,Andrew son of Absalom Ailstock, son of Chief Hokaluska Cornstalk. That’s what I know. Jayinge@gmail.com
May 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm
John Cheeks –
You are correct that many in the Ailstock and Goins families married into Native American families in the 1800s (including my own ancestors). Their descendants are partially African, partially Native American, and predominantly European in ancestry today.
The question, though, is whether Absalom Ailstock was the son (or paternal grandson) of Cheif Cornstalk and the answer is a resounding no. If his Y-DNA was Bantu he could not have been a son or grandson of Cornstalk.
Your comment that it was worse to be of Native American descent than of African descent is Colonial American is greatly misguided. Slavery was made hereditary in Virginia (the birthplace of both families) in 1662. This was only two generations (at most) after the founding of Jamestown. Many mixed-race individuals from the 18th and 19th century claimed Native American identity as it was seen as a middle ground in the black/white dichotomy – the Lumbee are a perfect example.
It is interesting to note that self-identifying “black” descendants of Absalom Ailstock have no stories of Chief Cornstalk in their families – it is only the “white” descendants who claim him as a Native American.
May 4, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Geoff Lawsons said “It is interesting to note that self-identifying “black” descendants of Absalom Ailstock have no stories of Chief Cornstalk in their families – it is only the “white” descendants who claim him as a Native American.”
Not entirely true, I have seen black cousins on Ancestry who proudly claim Cornstalk as an ancestor also.
May 5, 2012 at 11:09 am
Okay maybe some do but some do not. The Aylestocks’s of Ontario, Canada (left Virginia around the time of the Civil War) do not.
May 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Anytime we’re talking about things that happened so long ago, I think its a mistake to talk in absolutes, even with DNA. Many of our families have been here in America for Four Hundred years. I have English, Irish, Scots, Swedes, Germans, Italians, Africans and maybe Native ancestors.. I can’t use the possible connection to Cornstalk to claim Shawnee Ancestry, its just to iffy right now. I do think there is more to the story though and I hope it comes out soon! Thanks for the replys Geoff.
May 6, 2012 at 9:06 am
I doubt we will ever know the full story of the Ailstock family but I wanted to make two last points. (1) Chief Cornstalk is thought to have been born in Pennsylvania about 1720. This makes his entire list of children very suspect because the children with the first wife begin in 1730 (age 10) and overlap with the second wife in 1735 (age 15). (2) The Shawnee were not Christians until much later. Their children in the 1700s had naturalistic names like Dancing Bird, Blue Moon, etc. or important placenames like Greenbiar or Monongahela. African Americans (both slave and free) had already converted to Christianity and often had Biblical names like Abraham, Absalom, Moses, Samuel, Noah, or Isaac). Another common African American naming practice was to take the most Anglican name possible (Micheal, John, or Thomas). This was very uncommon for the Shawnee. If you look at the earily Ailstock names, they all fit these African American naming practices, not Shawnee.
May 6, 2012 at 10:32 am
I believe you are placing anglo practices to that of the Native peoples of that era the 1720′s. It was Not uncommon for marriages to take place by age 8 in some tribe cultures, however your statement on naming practices is closer to the truth. Parker V had married Mary Frye and Bluesky, I believe people over time have combined the two, so that now we have, Mary Bluesky -
I am supposing that it should be, Mary Frye (anglo) and Bluesky Cornstalk, (Native) which would follow the Native naming practices of that era.
I believe that Parker V might have thought he might “Get Away” with marrrying Bluesky, while having already been married to Mary Frye- only because they were so far removed from his homeland with Mary Frye.
The timeline suggests that at Parker V’s marriage to Bluesky they would have been deeper into the Virginian countryside apposed to the Mason County area of Ft.Pleasant ( now Point Pleasant W.V) there would have been approximately 100 mile difference between the two.
Lawrence Clark, 5th great grandson of Bluesky.
May 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm
there would have been approximately 100 mile difference between the two.
Lawrence Clark, 5th great grandson of Bluesky.
Ok, here comes my trouble into this minagerie! Can someone send me the
descendency lines of Lawrence Clark?
We’ve always thought our Shawnee line was on our Matteson linage, from what my grandfather told us?
But we also have Clarks in our family! Were these Clarks red-headed? Ours
were, which could be English descent.
Melanie
May 6, 2012 at 9:04 pm
My lines are as follows: Bluesky to Charity Adkins to Chloe Etta Adkins to
Lester Clark to Howard Clark to Larry Clark and to myself, Lawrence Clark.
And yes, some in the Adkins and Clark lines do have somewhat reddish hair.
Reddish Hair would more suggest Scotish or Irish descent than English.
We have Pic’s back to Charity and although skimpy, we do have family lore tales that have been passed down through the years. This would be from the Adkins / Clark line. Do any other lines have any similiar stories that have been passed down? We have been to the burying fields in Wayne, Wayne, W.V. and have visited our ancestors all the way back to Chief Cornstalk buried in Point Pleasant, Mason, W.V.
May 7, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I’ve been tracing my paternal ancestry back and have come to a standstill at Cornstalk. If Julia Scot was getting some on the side… she could have at least left a name…BUT also Ailstock was a name that seemed to have been a name of one of cornstalk’s sons that was not even Julia’s A DNA test is looking pretty tempting now… My family is from Virginia/WV and I’m thinking that Aylestock/Ailstock sounds pretty english…but looking back at Cornstalk it seems to just have been… made up? I thought I had it all figured out…
May 8, 2012 at 10:42 am
Dear Claire,
As for your comment, “looking back at Cornstalk it seems to just have been… made up?” I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I do assure you that the Surname of “Cornstalk” families are very much alive and well today; still having children.
Julia Scot of Scottish descent, was his 3rd wife. She is believed to have had 5 children with him. Two remained Cornstalk’s, 3 took the Surname of Ailstock. As for any indiscretions on her part, that’s only for her to know.
Many of his children, from all three wives took on Christian Names as Blue Sky did; changing her name to Mary. Aracoma Snow CORNSTALK, among others daughter Sarah, Susannah, Esther and Elizabeth. It happened for whatever reason.
Please don’t be offended by my comment here, I’m just not sure where it is that you’re assuming is made up here?
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Sheila
I really want to believe that my ancestor Absalom Ailstock was Shawnee, Julia was believed captured, and given to Cornstalk as a gift.. I can find no record of her capture. Also there is no record of the boys release from captivity, that I can find. Details, I need some details.. Also you mentioned that Michael, Absalom and Abraham took the name Adkins for a while, is there more of that story you can share? My GreatGreatGrandmother Annie Elizabeth Ailstock said she was Shawnee through Cornstalk, and Absalom has reportedly said it himself.. We either believe our ancestors Story or DNA, which I believe is inconclusive..
Sincerely
John Charles Cheek
May 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm
DNA is only at best a device to be used to connect to some of your DNA relatives- some test out as no linkage, my mothers’ own sister tests out as having no Italian blood line- but my mother does, they both have the same fparents, DNA did confirm that much. but it all matters as to which and what kind of DNA you have inherited from your past 5 generational ancestors. Each person only inherits from the 5th generation from themselves. In otherwords, none of us could be DNA linked to our own 6th great grandparents, period. For me that would be Chief Cornstalk- But, if we could ever find Bluesky- different story.
DNA in itself is Very inconclusive- and should only be used as a guideline.
The Genome Project may be a good final alternative to link DNA.
The Genome Project will tell you the 5 most common traits you have inherited, (i.e.) Irish-Welch-Native-Oriental etc..but mind you- your own sibling can test differently. But would also shed more light and a little more conclusiveness as to certain of your known ancestors.
May 24, 2012 at 8:52 am
I have just found this information on ancestry.com and I want to find out if I am a descendant of Chief Cornstalk. I have a Sarah Bokovar Friend (my 8th Gr. Grandmother) as a daughter of him. She married Israel Friend. Can anyone help me with this?
Thanks in advance for any information.
Leanna Grey
May 24, 2012 at 11:47 am
My GGGGG Grandmother is Sarah Bokovar Who was married to Israel Friend , I can’t finf any other name for Bokovar but Sarah Birth dates And Cornstalks don’t match, So some say no relation But since no family name for Bokovar can be found. my belief that because she was Indian and young Israel made her age older & name change. He was good friends with the Shawnee so it stands to reason he would marry an Indian women, no other marriage is listed for him and no death records listed for Sarah. My family goes through the Sevier line,
June 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
hi, my name is Evelyn, my family and friends call me tynk. Anyway my cousin and I have been researching our ancestry, Chief Cornstalk is my 6th great grandfather. My grandma is a direct descendent of Chief Cornstalk. Her name is Minnie Ailstock. It goes as follows, minnie, daughter of wayman, son of Absalom, son of John, son of Absolom, son of Chief Cornstalk and Julia Scot. Any other information would be great.
June 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Hi Evelyn
My line is Me, son of Annie Cheek, daughter of Bessie Ellis, daughter of Annie Elizabeth Grigsby Ailstock, daughter of Andrew Ailstock, son of Absalom, son of Hokelesqua and Julia Scot. Did your grandma tell you about your Shawnee heritage?
June 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm
oops left out GrGrandma Ellen Ellis who was Annie “Liza” Elizabeth Ailstock Grigsbys daughter.. Liza was listed Mulatto on the 1860 Census, In 1870 she was white..
July 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Hi everyone really quick, anyone tied into the Muncie family, my line goes back to the muncie’s. Lavinia Muncie married William white, and so far I think the Muncie’s were the native line in my family. The Muncie indians and or Delaware? were a tribe under Cornstalks command. Any input will be appreciated.
August 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Hello to all.. My name is Loretta Brooks. My grandmothers name is Vaudna Blair, born in logan, west virginia. She told me that Chief Cornstalk is my great ( times many, lol, ) grandfather, but she passed away before I got this curious itch to find out anything about my heritage. If anyone has any info on the Blair family in west virginia please let me know. Most of my family here in florida has passed away and I am finding it difficult to find info on anyone..I believe her dads name was joe..(she told me her moms name but for the life of me I cant remember it. Its on the tip of my tongue, just cant seem to spit it out ;) ) Thanks for taking the time to read this………
August 24, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Dear Loretta,
I’ve seen her tree. Vaudna Blair Brooks 1 Feb 1922 27 Aug 2004 Clermont, Lake, Florida wife of Callis William “Bill” Brooks (1922 – 1987). D/O Lindsay Blair (1889 – 1941) & Narie Alice Caldwell (1889-?) Lindsay was the son of
Joseph Smith Blair (Birth 18 Nov 1864 in Logan, Logan, West Virginia Death 10 Jan 1942 in Harts, Logan, West Virginia (found dead at the bottom of a well) & 1st wife Lucinda Lucas Birth 1860 in Logan, West Virginia Death abt 1889. Joseph Smith Blair s/o Anderson (1829-1902) & Louisa McCoy. But I honestly can’t find a common link, between the two families. I can’t find a common name between your tree & mine. I thought I hit one when I found a Sarah Lucas, but not the same as on my tree. I found some Branham’s on your tree as well, but nope. You may have one, but I can’t find it. Someone else may know more.
Good luck,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
PS: You’re very lucky to have so many old family pix up your tree. That’s rare to see so many up that far. Good luck!
As always,
Sheila
September 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm
My family are descendants of Hokolesqua Cornstalk as well. Through his son, Black Wolf Cornstalk. I am unable to see the images on this page. Is there a way for me to gain access the them?
September 28, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Did you try to right click on the image and open it in a new screen? I just have the artwork/picture that is available almost everywhere & I think his monument. Try Googling it then clicking on images. You should get them that way. I just reinstalled the photo. I’m not sure what happened to the link, but it must have stopped working. I think that fixed it. Let me know if you have any trouble seeing it now.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
December 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm
What people are getting confused on Is there are two Mary Adkins, both married to my relative Parker V Adkins, Mary Bluesky Adkins official Shawnee marrage and second wife to Parker is Mary Adkins(Frye) adopted mother of Charity Adkins (Cornstalk) daughter of his first wife. So Bluesky had Charity and Littlebury but all the rest of the children came from the second wife also named Mary. that is also how there is a connection to the kings family In England for some people as well as Chief Cornstalk. http://www.adkinshorton.net/gen/getperson.php?personID=I5395&tree=ah
also check this out as well it show a bit of what I explained above
http://www.geni.com/people/Parker-V-Adkins/6000000000114470485
Charity Adkins(Cornstalk) is my 6th great grandmother Bluesky would be my 7th if anyone would like to talk please email me at chrismcchristian@gmail.com
December 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm
A lot is confusing about the Adkins line I know more about my Native american roots than the supposed royal roots but the family line of Adkins does show relation to even up to King Henry the 3rd Longshank and many more. mistakes could be mad there as well but can say for sure I only really investigated my part of the family line that goes to the Shawnee’s
but here is a family tree to investigated as well
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001018763186#6000000001018763186
December 4, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Also chief Cornstalk had many wives, so there were many many many children so there are many people that would tie back to the Shawnee
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/k/Annis-J-Baker/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0497.html
December 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm
here is a Pedigree as well that links to royal family as well as Shawnee
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001018763186#6000000001018763186
click continue on Lydia Owens then Elizabeth Jennings(Parker) then Edward Stanley Earl of derby then Alice Mantagu then baron Thomas to get to the kings. For Cornstalk’s follow Cornstalk in the beginning of the pedigree. My link came to the Chief came from family Info and all the names leading up to him . these are just other things I found as well.
December 5, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I have just learned my great great grandfather was Absalom Alistock and was wondering if I fit anywhere into the Cornstalk heritage
December 19, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Sheila, Hi I descend from Chief Cornstalk , down the line , from Littleberry to Owen to Samuel To Arma,
How do I go about applying for a card ? Please Please email me with any info.Thank you !!
January 10, 2013 at 11:06 pm
On my tree it stands today & I’m not saying that I’m right, just this is for me, where I’m leaving mine. Please feel free to continue to investigate all other avenues.
Parker Vincent Adkins (1720-1792) married Mary aka Polly Jones. She was believed to be a Frye by members for the Frye family. I’m not saying that they’re wrong, I’m just saying what I have on MY tree. Mary Jones Together they had Keziah Mallory Adkins; Millington Adkins, Isom Adkins; Hezekiah Adkins; Susanna Adkins; Champion Adkins; Elijah Adkins; and Sherrod B Adkins. She passes and he later marries Blue Sky Cornstalk and called her Mary. Together they had two kids, Little Berry Adkins & Charity Adkins. Charity marries Randle Adkins (not uncommon) and when he passes, she then marries Bluford Southerds/Sowards.
On my tree, I have 4 Mary Fry(e)’s. Mary Fry d/o George & Margaret Scott was the wife of Millington aka Militan Adkins.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 5, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I am from Fayette County, WV. There is a family cemetery at Mount Olive, where many of my ancestors are buried. My family settled on Mount Olive in the 1840s. Away from the other graves is a beautiful, white tombstone. It belongs to Allen Allstock. Also referred to as Ailstock. He was born in 1839 and died in 1883. The stone reads,”Man that is born of woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower and is cut down. He fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not”. My great grandfather said that Allen was a freed slave and the only black man buried in the cemetery. We always decorated his grave, along with decorating our own families’. But I always wondered about Allen. As I grew older, i asked my professors about it. They said he must have had some great importance to have such a nice tombstone. I looked through census records and all I found was that he lived in Nicholas in 1860. Between 1870 and 1880, he moved to Mount Olive. He was a farmer and never married. I never found anything else. That was ten years ago. I always wondered about him. Why was he there?
February 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm
It cut me off before I could finish. I started looking today again…to pay a tribute for Black History Month. And I started to see these references to Cornstock… And that Ailstocks, Alestocks and Allstocks were descendants and often referred to as freed slaves or mulatto. Could Allen be a descendant? Email me kacihelene@aol.com
February 19, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Hello,
I am related to a Jeremiah Adkins b. 1817 in Kentucky. Census records state that both of his parents were born in Kentucky as well. I cannot find any further information on his parents. Do you have information on him?
Thank you!
February 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm
There is also a possibility that Jeremiah was born in Tennessee.
February 20, 2013 at 8:54 am
Thank you Erin for your comments. I didn’t have anything on my end. I only have one on my tree & he married Valentine Bolin. As you can see below its not a close relationship. But this Jeremiah is very well documented. Maybe someone else has more than I .
Jeremiah Adkins
Relationship to you: 2nd great grandfather of husband of sister-in-law of sister-in-law of 2nd cousin 3x removed of husband
Birth 1788 in South Carolina, United States
Death 25 Aug 1854 in Whitley, Kentucky, United States
Thanks for your comment & Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 20, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Thank you for your response. I will continue the search. :)
February 21, 2013 at 7:13 pm
I see that you have researched Straight Tail Meaurroway and Cornstalk. I am a descendant of Straight tail’s and am wondering were these 2 related in any way, either by blood or marriage? I’m just starting my search on my Shawnee roots and have heard the name Cornstalk come up a lot. Thanks
March 12, 2013 at 10:24 am
Anyone ever employed mitochondrial DNA testing (maternal lines using female descendants)? This could be fruitful in clearing up lots of the issues I’ve read about here
March 26, 2013 at 7:13 pm
well I do know only one true fact that charity adkins is my 4th great grandmother on my fathers side after that I am lost because I do not know if she was the real daughter of cornstalk but I do know she was the daughter of bluesky. but I look nothing like a indian but my grand mother dose and so dose hers mybe I am taking after my my mothers side. Daniel Adkins west va born my father was howard adkins his father was glen his father was willam wirt adkins his father was alfred and his father was parker I think he married charity or bluesky but I really do not know I only trace the men side thus far can you help adkinsdanielw@yahoo.com
April 20, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I don’t see where anyone ever answered Monica Stierman. I have also found a possible directly lineage through the Christian surname and was wondering if anyone could confirm.
Chief Cornstalk
Elinipsico Cornstalk
Thomas Bailey “Kumskaka” Christian (1770 – 1853 – raised by Thomas Mastin/Masten after his father and grandfather were murdered)
George Wynepuechiska Dos Christian (1836 – 1910)
James Christian (1867 – ?)
Rhoda Christian (1903 – 1990 – mother is Mary Yost b 1865)
Helen Smith (1935 – 2003)
Jacqueline Short (1956)
Shannon Short (me – 1977)
Up through Rhoda (my great grandmother) I know personally. I found her father James through ancestry.com using census records. The 1900 – 1930 census all show James living in Maiden Spring, Tazewell, VA which is where George also lived. The 1880 census shows George had a son named James born in 1867. Nancy (I assume Bandy) is listed as George’s wife but I don’t think she is James’ mother since other sources show they were married in 1871. Prior to that he was married to Sarah Wingo who is more likely James’ mother. I have been unable to locate an 1870 census for either George or James, and the missing 1890 census also leaves a big gap. The lineage from George to Chief Cornstalk I found on http://www.werelate.org.
Any information that can be provided to either prove or disprove that my great great grandfather James Christian is the great great grandson of Chief Cornstalk would be greatly appreciated.
Shannon
singe01@juno.com
April 23, 2013 at 10:53 am
All of the 1890 censuses burned and a special census was done to replace them in 1892- check there for more info.
April 23, 2013 at 1:32 pm
I knew the 1890 census was lost but wasn’t aware of the special 1892 census. Where can I find that info? It doesn’t seem to be listed in ancestry.com.
Also, I found another piece of evidence to help prove the link. The marriage record of James Christian to Mary Yost in 1889 lists George and Nancy as James’ parents. Not conclusive, but another piece of the puzzle, and so far I have found nothing to disprove.
April 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm
I have been studying the work of many people who have tried to establish a reliable parental link between Ellinipsico and Thomas Bailey Christian. As yet, there is none.
The historical figure Kumshaka (Kumskaka) was not the son of Elinipsico.
Thomas Christain was an orphan but we do not know whose orphan.
See these references here:
I quote them from my work on GENi.com
“When Chief Cornstalk and his son, Elinipsico, were murdered (1777), Thomas Mastin, and his wife Agnes, are said to have taken in the orphans Kumshaka (renamed Thomas Bailey Christian), Low Hawk (renamed Hezekiah N. Whitt), Outhowwa Shokka Cornstalk, and Mountain Raven (renamed Sarah Mastin). Kumskaka (aka Kumshaka) was supposedly later placed with the Christian Family who changed Kumskaka’s name to Thomas Christian.” The source of the middle name “Bailey” is unknown.
(as the preceding is under factual dispute(s). GENi curators are currently at work to resolve the truth of this account and will continue to update this profile as soon as hopefully solid determinations have been made) (March-April 2013)
Essential to the controversy: • His parents:… Are they (white) Nathanial Christian & (Ewing)? … or (predominantly Shawnee) Elinipsico and Standing Deer Bailey… or (Shawnee/Cherokee/white) that is, is Thomas Bailey Christian the historical “Kumshaka”, brother of Tecumseh? Then there is the possibility the the answer may be: unknown/none of these scenarios.
Many people, living today (2013) have weighed in on this topic. Chief Don Greene, Noel Schutz, Red Hawk, and descendants. DNA tests suggest a Isle of Wight/ European background for Thomas Bailey Christian. Many of the Shawnee/Cherokee possible ancestors have “white” blood lines in them too… This complicates hard and fast designation of Christian being either Native American or immigrant European.
There is no birth record for Thomas Bailey Christian.
consider this reference:
From: Shawnee Heritage I Written by Don Greene and Noel Schutz 2008 ISBN 978-1-4357-1573-8 2nd Edition page 148
“ Kumshaka aka Kumshaka Puckinshinwa-Kunshauskau- Cat Flying In Air – ¾ Kishpoko-Pekowi-Creek-Metis born 1770 OH-died before 1824 (Canada) 5th son of Puckenshiwa (born 1735) & Metheotashe Opessa (born 1740) (timeline) • a Kishpoko warrior raiding the Ohio River Valley (1788-1792) • Blue Jacket War (1787-1794) • raiding Ohio. Kentucky, Virginia, Tennesees: (1795-1810) • Brownstown (1812) • Mongaugon (1812) • Amherstburg (1812) • Frenchtown (1813) • Ft Meigs (1813) • 2nd Anherstburg (1813) • Thames (1813) with Tecumseh (his brother) Moved to Canada in 1815; died before band returned to Ohio (1825) Husband (c. 1790) of Kishpoko Woman (born 1774); children unknown”
(ed. Note: abbreviations in text expanded for clarity) parentheses are my own = MvB (the word “Metis” is of French origin meaning mixed blood… In other words: Kumshaka was ( according to Greene and Schutz) 1/2 Shawnee, 1/4 Creek, and 1/4 mixed)
Also see: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Cthrnvl/RoughNotes
The Thomas Mastin letters state that the orphans came to be
with him after the Cornstalk murders (Thomas’ father and grandfather)
Holston Past Finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Geneological Society.
See http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:108722
It says: Sources 1.↑ First Census of the United States 1790 – Virginia p.100 2.↑ A History of Halifax County Virginia, Wirt Johnson Carrington. p24 – Name given as Thomas Masten the Magistrate 3.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol31, #4, p57 – Thomas Mustain, 400 acs Lunenburg Co. on both sides of Boplar Br, a Mill Cr,. adj Hugh Henry; 5 Feb 1753, p 42. 40 Shill. 4.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol 23, #1, 9 – Thomas and sons Avery and Jesse Mustain recorded as swearing Oath of Allegiance. 5.↑ Holston past finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Genealogical Society – Archive repository for Mastin letters. Statements by Thomas Mastin/Mustain pertaining to the orphans he took in, left by the Cornstalks who were killed at the fort in 1777. “Thomas Mastin’s papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee. (It states he raised 4 orphans) There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Following the murder of Chief Cornstalk October 9, 1777, at Fort Randolph, Point Pleasant, VA. now WV. A white-man friend, Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife, Agnes adopted 4 of his children. Cornstalk lived on the Saludy River. 6.↑ Holston Territory Genealogical Society – 1991Annual – Thomas MASTIN took our Thomas CHRISTIAN, Sr. under his wing when our Thomas was orphaned.”
for a cursory look at Shawnee culture see:
http://www.tolatsga.org/shaw.html
for the Hezekiah Whitt affadavit see:
http://www.werelate.org/images/9/9b/Whitt_appplication_by_thoms_christain.jpg
In sum: It all does not add up. It doesn’t seem that the real Kumshaka was the son of Elinipsico (Crornstalk) and Standing Deer Bailey but the son of Puckenshinwa. There is an argument for Thomas Bailey Christian being the son of Elinipsico and a Chalakatha Woman. This probability will be expanded upon elsewhere in this profile (under supporting documents) This theory is based on the work of Don Greene and Noel Shutz (two books of Shawnee genealogy published in the last decade)
It is unknown as to what other names Thomas Christian called himself. I know of no self-reference as “Kumshaka” (!)
last updated by Mike van Beuren (MvB) 4/11/2013
Note: To follow research on Ellinipsico (Elinipsico) Cornstalk, go to: http://www.geni.com/people/Elinipsico-Cornstalk/6000000019967934922?through=6000000020249628884
April 23, 2013 at 5:03 pm
The 1892 censuses can be found at the state Capital Archives in the state you are looking- you can request copies from them – for a fee. Make sure to be as specific as possible, they will send the full sheet census where they are found. Usually the fee is 10.00 plus .50 for the copy and postage, but all states differ.
May 19, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Sheila…In keeping with our attempt to continue to research my wife’s ancestry, we ran across your post 147 above. As you may have observed, I have posted several times on this site requesting what information or documentation that may exist to reflect that Keziah was the daughter of Parker V. and Mary ____. Have you found anything that might shed some light on this or explain why you carry the Keziah who married a Fry as being an Adkins? Thanks…Tim and Sandy
May 21, 2013 at 10:39 am
Dear Tim & Sandy,
I’ve changed my response many times. As you may know this Adkins’ line completely splits down the middle; each half denying or forgetting the other exists. Please see the Shawnee lines, many of their descendants are still living on the reservation. Merging the two has not been easy.
When I talked to Ronnie on the phone last year, he said that he did not see how they could have ever came into contact with one another. Hokoleskwa aka Cornstalk is buried in West Virgina. The two lines will have to duke this one out for themselves.
Please do take a few minutes and see the “Jones” family research as well as the Fry(e). I know its complicated and really don’t want to open this up again to a full on debate between the two. If you chose to do so, please read his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornstalk and all books that you can get your hands on. They will in fact marry the two families.
I have come to love and respect both sides and don’t want to get in the middle of this again.
I’m sorry that I can’t be more help.
As Always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 21, 2013 at 11:52 am
Sheila..
I think you are missing our question. We are resigned to the fact that there is significant debate as to who Parker’s wife may have been by whom Keziah was born. However, our question is what documentation or support there might be for Parker being the father of Keziiah who married George Fry, On the other point, I tend to side with Ronnie’s analysis. We have his book and also the book prepared by Lucian? Fry. Thanks…Tim and Sany
May 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Our we talking about Ronnie Adkins book on he Wayne county Adkins. I Working on this line now and would love a copy of his book.
Sent from my iPhone
May 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Dear Tim,
I’m glad you have a copy of Ronnie’s book. You’re very fortunate. I was unable to obtain a personal copy. It would be nice if more copies were made available. Phone conversations just don’t cover everything.
Now, I did fully understand the question and was hoping that you would understand my position. I don’t have anything in my possession to prove or disprove it. Nor am I’m looking to do either at this point. I have her on my Tree as Parker’s daughter, due to “my” research/findings and there she will stay. I’m not being pigheaded, just not seen anything to change my mind. Until then she stays put.
I’ve seen so many people’s research (findings) and so many people have it different ways; most I suspect, have taken it at face value – no work done. Sometimes, I just shake my head. I never contradict their research. Its a lot of work, none one can know every detail. From the earliest records I’ve seen, she’s there. Nothing to contradict it. You’ll have to do the legwork work on this one. I cannot help you with any physical documents.
With my sincerest apologies,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 21, 2013 at 6:27 pm
So
May 21, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Oops. I have done a ton of independent “legwork” on this matter. We have spoken and exchanged emails with Ronnie and others about this family. Some of which has been copied and pasted onto these pages. We have spoke with others as well. We have and continue to research this issue in a myriad of ways. Part of that is seeking the opinions of others (whether or not those opinions may differ from ours), their respective ideas, thoughts etc. and the support/basis for the same.
Unlike most so called researchers/self-proclaimed experts, or those attempting to drive a conclusion, unless we can document ours or the conclusion of others with primary sources or credible secondary sources, we simply don’t accept something as being accurate or otherwise correct.
In your comments above, you refer to “my research”, “the earliest records I have seen”. I am simply asking you what that research consisted of and what those “records” might be, especially since you comment that there are no physical documents that support your conclusion, With all due respect, isn’t it fair to say that you are in fact relying on the conclusions of others, rather than independent research verifying/supporting what you think is the case.
Nothing in my comments should be construed to imply that I disagree with your conclusions. I am only asking that you share the basis of the same with me and others who might have an interest in this issue to allow us the opportunity to analyze that information and draw our own conclusions.
It is unfortunate that you have taken my comments, inquiries to be adversarial, because that is clearly not the intent.
May 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Reading the recent posts has got me thinking about my own supposed connection to Cornstalk. What primary evidence exists that shows the children or even wives of Cornstalk? Absalom Ailstock is listed as a son but he appears in the will of Michael Ailstock as his son. Now one seems to have any real evidence beyond unsubstantiated stories.
May 23, 2013 at 12:02 am
Indians in the Tree?
Trying to pull together the different stories of Chief Cornstalk being the father of Absalom and Michael Ailstock.. This is information obtained from old newsgroup posts and research of various family geneologists. My family line goes through Annie Elizabeth Ailstock and Phoebe Vess.
This from the Davis family page.. One point of debate that continues to arise among Ailstock researchers concerns the racial background of the Ailstock line. Michael Ailstock is the most commonly agreed upon progenitor of the Rockbridge County, Virginia Ailstock families—in a number of documented records, he and his descendants are identified as “mulatto” and described as “free negro”. Many believe that the descendants of Michael Ailstock are mistakenly identified and are actually Indian in heritage. Ilene Andrus, descendant of Bertha Grigsby Founds, daughter of Charles and Annie Ailstock Grigsby, shares that Annie herself claimed to be related to Chief Cornstalk, noted Shawnee Indian chief of the 1700’s.
The story as far as I can tell
Rebecca was a Scots Irish woman kidnapped by a Chief Hintoo Intu and then given to Chief Hokelesqua CornStalk of the Shawnee. She was said to be nearly 6 feet tall and beautiful. kidnapped at about 15 and married to Cornstalk at 16. She had sons with Cornstalk, Sunfish, 1742, Elijah 1744, Absalom 1748, Abraham 1750, and Michael 1752. According to Don Green she stayed with the tribe after her 3 younger sons returned to the whites. According to Kitty Sachs and the stories related to her. Rebecca and her 3 youngest children, Michael, Abraham and Absalom were repatriated by the army and taken in by the Michael Ailstock family. she lived with Michael Ailstock, as his wife.
Michael Ailstocks will is often used to debunk the whole story.. but as Kitty Sachs says it may actually provide proof of the story.. All of Michael Srs children from his first marriage are given substantial property in his will. Michael Jr. and Absalom are given two cents each. As you would treat halfbreed stepchildren!
Some Ailstock researchers have taken DNA tests and say that there is no Indian DNA in the paternal or fraternal lines.. DNA is not 100% accurate though.. Looking at old pictures, especially Nancy Jane Ailstock from the 1850′s those Ailstocks appear to be Indian to me.. My grandmother Bessie Jane Ellis, looked a lot like Nancy Jane Ailstock.. Nothing proved, just trying to get as many of the old stories out there as I can.
John C Cheek
May 23, 2013 at 1:02 am
I do not understand this “DNA is not 100% accurate” thing.
There are three types of DNA testing: Autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-Chromosome (y-DNA) testing. The three types reveal different information and the apparent ‘accuracy’ of each testing types differs with one another.
atDNA testing can be taken by anyone and tests all ancestry. The results from this type of test may tell you that you are 60% Northern European, 20% East Asian, 10% African, and 10% Southern European.
People genetic ancestry differs from their full ancestry however so the results, although accurate, do not always leave a holistic picture. By this I mean that while everyone has 16 great-great-grandparents you may only have genetic markers from some of them. In other words, with the same results as above one may have small amounts of Native American ancestry but it would not show genetic markers in their test results.
I guess this is what people mean when they say that they do not trust results.
mtDNA testing looks at DNA inside the mitochondria and only tests one line: your mothers, mothers, mother, etc.
y-DNA testing looks at the male sex chromosome and only test one line: your fathers, fathers, father, etc. y-DNA Haplogroups often share surnames as they share the same patrilineal ancestor. These tests are incredibly accurate and if two people share a line within something like 20 generations they will have almost identical results.
Due to the migration of the human population out of Africa and into Europe, Middle East, Asia, Australia, and finally over the Bering Straight and into the Americas – African and Native American y-DNA varies more than many other groups.
All Ailstocks that have taken y-DNA tests and made their results public have had the same result – an African haplogroup not a Native American haplogroup. This means that if their family tree is correct back to Absalom Ailstock then his father could not have been Cornstalk or any other Shawnee person. They may have been part Native American but not on their paternal line. They may even be related to Cornstalk but he was not their father, paternal grandfather, or paternal uncle.
It seems to me that a long, long time ago this mulatto family decided to attach itself to a famous person (Chief Cornstalk) because their names rhymed.
Geoff
May 23, 2013 at 1:13 am
I don’t understand what this proves other than he seems to have left more to the daughters than the sons. Maybe the sons already had property? It surely doesn’t prove that the sons were stepsons.
See below:
The Last Will & Testament of
Michael Ailstock
In the name of God Amen. I Michael Ailstolk of the county of Louisa and parish of Trinity being sick and weak but of sound mind and memory calling to mind the uncertainty of this life, think proper to make this my last will and Testament as followeth (viz) I give my body to earth, to be enclosed at the discretion of my executors, hereafter mentioned my soul I give to God, in hopes of a happy resurrection &c and as to such worldly goods as it pleased hath God to blefs me with, I give in manner as followeth, Item, I give to my wife Rebecca Ailstolk, the bed and furniture whereon I commonly lodge during her Natural life and at her death I give and bequeath the said bed &c to my grand daughter Rebecca Ailstolk. But in case my wife rebecca should again Marry, after my death, it’s then my will and desire that then the said Bed &c shall go to my grand daughter Rebecca at the time my wife may marry again, Item, I give and bequeath my wearing cloaths to my Son Joseph Ailstolk Item, I give to my sons Michal and Absolom Ailstolk and my Daughter Mary Twopence, each of them, one shilling sterling Money Item I give and bequeath to my Daughter Elisabeth Ailstolk one bed and furniture which she bought and paid for herself. Then- why I mention this is to prevent disputes respecting this bed. Item I give and bequeath all the rest and residual of my estate of every kind to my wife Rebecca Ailstolk during her natural life, and at her death to be equally divided between my Daughters, Sussanna Ailstolk Elisabeth Ailstolk and my grand Daughter Rebecca Ailstolk and lastly it’s my will that my wife Rebecca Ailstolk pay my Just Debts and burial expenses out of that part of my estate I leave her, and I do appoint my wife Rebecca Ailstolk executive to this my last will, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 6th day of September 1791.
his
Teste Wm Smith B. John + Mitchell Michael Ailstolk (seal)
May 23, 2013 at 11:53 am
Michael seniors first wife was Margaret Cosward. About the Ailstock DNA project. There are only four participants. 3 are descendants of Absalom. Two are E1b1a haplotypes and one is I2b1. The other a Hails family member seems not to be related at all… E1b1a is an African haplotype and I2b1 is an eastern European haplotype.. One of the most common haplotypes in Native Americans is R1b1. Which is also a European Haplotype.. The sampling size of the Ailstock DNA project is to small to draw any conclusions about anything..
Y-Chromosome Analysis for Native American Markers
Males inherit a close copy of their Y-chromosome from their fathers. Females do not have a Y-chromosome. So males could also be tested for ÒNative American markersÓ on their Y-chromosome, but the analysis has similar limitations as testing mtDNA. Here again, the test only traces one line of ancestry, and misses most of the subjects’ ancestry because the vast majority of the ancestors are invisible to the test. If a man has 15 Native American great-great-grandparents, but his father’s father’s father’s father was non-Indian, that person will not appear to be Native American under this test. So, almost 94% of that person’s genetic inheritance may be from Native Americans, but under this test he may be identified as “non-Indian”.Å And, like mtDNA analysis using the purely maternal line, using Y-chromosome analysis to determine Native American ancestry ignores a greatly increasing percentage of a person’s ancestry as you go more generations into the past with the analysis.
John
May 23, 2013 at 12:28 pm
John,
You are correct in thinking that Absalom may have been part Native American. In fact, it is quite likely but the chance that Cornstalk was his father seems very unlikely.
The ancestry of Michael Ailstock matches the E1b1a test results and given the will and other documented history it seems most likely that he was the father.
Hopefully more direct male descendants will test and make their results public.
May 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm
To say Michael Ailstock ancestry matches E1b1 may be correct. The statement can also be made that Absalom Ailstocks ancestry matches I2b1. This is what would be expected if Michael senior wasn’t Absaloms father.. Further, Don Greene has Cornstalk decending from Thomas Pasmere Carpenter.. If that is correct then I2b1 would be correct for an engish line of descent…
I don’t think this will ever be resolved completely.. What I would like to see is more of the stories from the family to be brought forward.. The story from Kitty Sachs seems to be the most believable That Rebecca was captured by the Shawnee and they like to think Cornstalk himself fathered her children. Mister Green has many more details in his story and I would love to hear where he came up with them.
John