This post is for Amanda and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle:
Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk
son of Wawwaythi Whitefish Okowellos “Ionoco” Sunfish (1672-1740) and Bird (1682-1740).
Spouse & Children:
Helizikinopo (1715 – 1756)
M:Chenusaw CORNSTALK (1730 – 1778)
M:Wolf Piaserka CORNSTALK (1733 – 1788)
F:Mary CORNSTALK (1735 – 1775)
M:Walker Keigh tugh quah And Heliziknopo CORNSTALK (1735 – 1818)
M:Newa CORNSTALK (1737 – 1776)
F:Aracoma Snow CORNSTALK (1740 – 1780)
F:Greenbrier CORNSTALK (1741 – 1777)
M:Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832)
F:Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk (1744 – 1791)
M:Ellinipsico CORNSTALK (1745 – 1777)
F:Elizabeth CORNSTALK (1746 – 1770)
F:Esther Cutewah CORNSTALK (1748 – 1777)
F:Oceano Cornstalk (1756 – 1765)
Other Spouse & Children:
Ounaconoa Moytoy (1716 – 1755)
M:Wissecapoway Cornstalk (1735 – 1808)
M:Wynepuechiska Shawnee Cornstalk (1738 –)
M:Black Wolf Benewiska Cornstalk (1740 – 1796)
M:Ionoco Ailstock Cornstalk (1741 – 1777)
M:Nenpemeshequa Cornstalk (1742 – )
M:Wissecapouay Shawnee Cornstalk (1744 – )
M:Benewisca Shawnee Indian (1750 –)
M:Lawathtucheh John Wolf Cornstalk (1750 – 1834)
M:Peitehthator Shawnee Indian (1752 –)
M:Wissecapoway Cornstalk (1753 – )
M:Lawathtucheh Shawnee Indian (1754 –)
M:Wynepuechiska Peter Cornstalk (1755 – 1838)
F:White Wing Cornstalk (1756 – )
F:Susannah Keigh tugh quah A Ounaconoa Moytoy Cornstalk (1757 – 1820)
M:White Fish Cornstalk (1760 – )
Other Spouse & Children
Julia Scot (1726 – 1755)
M:Sun Fish Cornstalk (1741 – 1774)
M:Elijah Keigh tugh quah And Julia Scot Cornstalk (1744 – 1760)
M:Absaloma Alistock “Absalom Ailstock” Cornstalk of Lexington, Rockbridge, Virginia (1748 – 1858)
M:Abraham Alistock “Abraham Aylstock” Cornstalk of Botetourt, Virginia (1750 – 1855)
M:Michael Ailstock Cornstalk (1760 – 1795)
Amanda: I am just looking into my family tree I have no facts as of yet but I found a Turner married to Mary cornstalk is there more than one I know I’m Shawnee and Cherokee I have 2 chiefs telling me and when I gave a list of names to the Shawnee chief he said I am Cornstalk bloodline but I still want to work on my tree I have a few names on both sides of my family I am born a Stanley and off that was the king family that I have found so far now off the Turner side I have Shepherd Brown, White, Asberry, so far I still have family in point pleasant but I just found them there all around my age and don’t know much on the family so if anyone knows anyone of those last names It would help I’m not out to make anyone mad or to get proof I just want to find the family tree and not wait on the chiefs because I know they are busy with other things.
Dear Amanda, I hope this answers a few of your questions and maybe stirred a few more. I’m deeply sorry that the Chief’s are to busy to help, so I will try to answer as much as possible. Maybe try to read a few of the comments by one reader named Grim. He works with the tribes on their history.
I’m also hoping that with this post someone with more knowledge than I can report my mistakes and I’ll be happy to fix any. I’m sure I’m missing a child here as well so that may get fixed here too.
I’m posting a pic of CORNSTALK’S Headstone
Images are of multiple tribes. Including video of the Edison early films of the Ghost Dance.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family!
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
An ideal cannot wait for it’s realization to prove it’s validity. ~ George Santayana
Metcalf Family Mews 
October 11, 2010 at 11:16 am
Background information:
M: Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832) – later became Chief.
Julia Scot
Birth 1726 in Edinburg, Scotland
Death 1755 in Loudon, Virginia, USA
her children changed their Surname to Ailstock.
1810 Census: Jacob Alstott Botetourt, Virginia may have been a son as well.
October 11, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Isaac Turner, son of Matthew, married Mary Cornstalk I have no dates on him but I know some how my grandmother is related any one know that name Isaac turner and yes I thought there was 2 mary cornstalks so you have got me on a family hunt told all my freinds I will not stop looking now i just have to put it all togather I have got some help from the sub chief he told me to come back up to ohio and look all i want at the many books of names so Im going back up soon before the snow hits
October 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Dear Amanda,
I’d love to go with you and look. Is that even a possibility? I’m not a direct descendant, but I’ve been tracking them for a very long time. Nothing would make me happier than to look at the materials myself. I don’t speak the language, but I can would muddle through. Its a foot in the door.
Sorry, that was too bold to ask. Let me know what you find out. I too, am very anxious to know what they have on the family. Any news is good news.
Also, if you could find out whatever happened to Little Nancy Adkins d/o of White Wing aka Big Nancy Cornstalk and Elijah Adkins, the family and I would greatly appreciate it.
Chief Cornstalk was Shawnee, you dais that you were part Cherokee, where is the split? On down the your family line or up at the Cornstalk era? Just curious, as to where they crossed lines.
Thanks again for your comments and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
October 11, 2010 at 8:12 pm
ok I found out my brother talked to the cherokee cheif today he putting a rush on our cards and also looking at getting the info to us on the tree so i will update that when it comes but my grandfather and grandmother had native on both sides im related to the king family too but i havent gotten very far on them
October 12, 2010 at 10:24 am
ok I found a hattie adkins married a turner anyone know anything one her?
November 28, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf,
Elijah Adkins, 16, son of Parker Adkins & Mary Bluesky Cornstalk, and “Big Nancy, or White Wing,14, when they married. Had 3 boys, and 1 girl, Little Nancy. Big Nancy left Elijah taking little nancy with her, ran away with Tecumseh. Elijah then remarried Nancy Hunter, our line continues with their eldest son,(Elijah & Big Nancy) Lewis Adkins(Atkins) found spelled both ways.
Lewis Adkins
B: 5 May 1785 U.S.
M: 28, Jan. 1804
D: 14, Jan. 1865
Married: Elizabeth Monroe
B: 5, Dec. 1784
D: 7 Dec. 1865
Son: Elijah Atkins (note Spelling)
If you are related to Chet Atkins, we are cousins. Have straight lineage from Cornstalk to my grandfather B.J Bailey also had cherokee on grandmothers side(married)Troutts listed on Dawes Roll Guion/Miller 1898 to 1914 father and son they are listed full blood cherokee, then their children are suddenly listed white and they moved to tennessee. Hope my info is correct, it is a difficult task when going back so far. Please let me know of your info and this info comes from family kept records, family bible etc.Hope it is helpful. I have heard your family name and Metcalf name, very interesting, receiving information soon that will confirm my information. Can’t wait to get it.
December 1, 2010 at 5:29 pm
hello everyone i have just learned that my family line of adkins is through elijah adkins and white wing cornstalk and would like to know how to prove the blood line,, i have not tied it into the rolls yet and dont know how. can anyone help please feel free to write
December 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm
ron adkins here ps email me at shellmadre@yahoo.com thank you.
i keep getting told that you have to be so much indian and have to be in the tribe from birth but i think that i didnt even know that i was indian untill i did the reaserch and now want to be apart of my haritage. i cant help that my elders left behind what they did i never would have.
December 1, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I am Marty’s 1st Cousin and learning about our heritage is very awesome. Marty has located other family members through his reaserch. It is awesome to connect with family members. Marty did find through his reaserch that we are related to Elijah Adkins,Hattie Adkins is our Grandfathers Mother being our great grandmother.
December 15, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Sheila,
You asked what happened to Little Nancy Adkins, Daughter of Elijah Adkins.
I have been unable to confirm a Daughter named Nancy for Elijah Adkins and Nancy Hunter.
December 29, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Hello from my records Chief Cornstalk is my 7 Great-Grandfather. From his children with Julia Scot. How can I find documents to prove this? Please help, my family is very interested but want proof because we have been tossed around so much with our Native American heritage.
December 29, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Dear Tiara,
Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk:
Corn Stalk aka Hokolesqua-Hokoleshka-Akulusska-Wneypuechsika-Keightughqua-Simaquan – born about 1710 PA-died 1777 VA – Major Chalakatha/Mekoche chief by 1749, with Creeks in AL for a short time in 1755 again for a short time in 1758, French-Indian War, Braddock, led raiding New-Shenandoah River valleys 1755, led raiding Ohio-New River valleys 1758, Pontiac War, lead chief of Shawnee at Bushy Run, led raiding New-Greenbrier-Jackson River valleys 1763, led raiding Ohio-Little Kanawha-Big Sandy-Kanawha-New River valleys 1772, lead chief Point Pleasant 1774, Chief of 20 tribe Northern Confederacy about 1755-77, associated with John Swift silver-mines about 1755-69, Council Ft. Pitt Nov. 1753, June 1762, negotiated Treaty 1757 with Col. Thomas Lewis Col. William Preston at mouth of Big Sandy River, Council Bouquet Oct. 1764, hostage of Col. Bouquet winter 1764-65, traveled to Shawnee in NC-NY-IL-KY-IN-PA-TN enlisting support 1774, Treaty 1765, Treaty Camp Charlotte 1774, murdered by whites at Ft. Randolph-Point Pleasant 1777, son of Okowellos, husband 1st by 1730 of Helizikinopo-Shawnee, 2nd by 1735 of Ounaconoa Moytoy-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee, 3rd about 1741 of Julia-adopted Scot-Mulatto, 4th 1763 of Catherine See-adopted white, other wives possible, father with Helizikinopo of Chenusaw/30, Wolf/33, Walker/35, Newa/37, Aracoma (Baker)/40, Greenbrier (Kennison)/41, Cornstalk Jr/42, Mary (Swift-Adkins)/44, Ellinipsico/45, Elizabeth (Petella)/46, Esther (Sowards)/48, Oceana/56-all Shawnee, with Ounacona of Black Beard/35, Black Wolf/41, John Wolf/50, Peter Cornstalk/55-all 3/4th Shawnee-Cherokee, with Julia of Sun Fish/41 Elijah Cornstalk/44, Absalom/50, Abraham/48 Michael Ailstock/52-all 1/2 Shawnee-Black-Scot Metis, with Catherine of Mary/64-1/2 Shawnee Metis, possible unknown children with all wives.
He reported married Julia (Adopted) Scot – listed as Mulatto in 1741. I’m not sure how you could get any documentation on their marriage. You could look around Virginia for any Ailstock records you can find, since most of her children took the name of Ailstock.
I’m sorry that I could not offer anything further. I have no other information on Julia than that.
Good luck and I hope you will let me know if you find anything further.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 2, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Hi my name is Keith King, I was told by my dad that someone in his family, had a tree and that we were from Cornstalk. I never knew my grandfather, but his name was Edward Webster King born in Charleston West virginia in 1882. I tried to find more information but hit a dead end with him, I do not know anyone else past that and I think that if I had his parents names, that would be the missing link. I did find a Mary king, daughter of Squirrel King so I a assuming this is my line. I do not know but if any of you know or are related to me in any way, Please let me know. Thank You on the behalf of the King family.
February 3, 2011 at 9:06 am
my great grandmother was a king I also have king family on my other side send me an e-mail lets see what I got and you got maybe we can help eachother I know I have few king names but who knows maybe one on your tree! astewart2699@aol.com
February 3, 2011 at 9:08 am
just incase I didn’t say where the cherokee is it is mixed in the cornstalk line he did marry a cherokee
February 19, 2011 at 11:02 am
Could anyone help with the name See my grand father was named Preston See. died approx 1919 out of lexington ky I have found an Elizabeth See and now on this site a Catherine See associated with Chief Cornstalk. Going back how does ourr family fit in to Chief Cornstalk. Thanks for any help.I kinda remember dad mentioning the name Metcalf. Thanks again
February 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Dear Dale,
Elizabeth Catherine d/o Frederick Michael See & Catherine Vanderpool “See” originated on my “STUMP” family tree, but collided into my “Adkins” family tree. So her relationship to me is as follows: Mother-in-law of 1st cousin 7x removed.
Now Elizabeth Catherine See took as her second husband the son of Chief Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk known as Stout Man Wneypuechsika CORNSTALK (1742 – 1832) and he took her as his third wife. She mothered White Wing Nancy “Big Nancy” Cornstalk (1770-1843) whom married my uncle Elijah Adkins and ran off with Tecumseh Peekishnoah And Margurette Ice Tecumseh (1768 – 1813).
After Nancy ran off taking with her their only daughter, first husband Elijah took his sons, and moved away, changing their last name to Atkins.
You can investigate whether your family line merges with Frederick Michael See Born: 15 May 1720 in Schoharie, Schoharie, New York, USA – Death: 15 Jul 1763 in Muddy Creek, Greenbrier, West Virginia, USA, as I imagine it would.
Marriage:
Name: Frederick Michael See
Spouse: Catherine Vanderpool
Birth:1710 in NY
Marriage:1744 in NJ
I do hope this helps in your research. If nothing else its a good place to start.
Thanks for your comment and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 19, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Thanks for the quick response my grand father Preston fathered my dad around age 62 and died around 1 year later he was the only child so dad never new his father and was only told about him by his mother. He grew up in Lexington KY. He is also gone we were blessed to have dad 77 years. Looking back I can certianly see the Indian features in him. Thanks so much.
March 2, 2011 at 5:22 am
Hi, I was hoping that someone had info on Esther d/o Chief Cornstalk who married Thomas Sowards. I would really appreciate it. My maternal grandfather is James Monroe Sowards. Thanks so much.
March 7, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Hi all again, I am still trying to see how my King family was tied into the Cornstalks, and I just recently discovered my Grampa Edward W Kings mom who was named Caroline Cochran may have been the Native Tie. So somewhere the Cochran name might be the key possibly, not sure yet but a new lead anyhow. Thanks Keith king
March 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Dear Keith,
What can you tell me about Caroline Cochran? I too have them on my tree, but swinging off of a very different branch.
Thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 10, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hi Sheila, sorry Caroline Cochran would be my great gramma, her dad was Preston Cochran. Caroline was born in 1859 Clay County Virginia, also Carolines husband was a James Stafford King, His mother was Elizabeth White Born 1828 in Virginia, her husband was Anthony King born 1831 virginia. I have not found who might have been on the cornstalk line yet but I am begining to believe we are not Native, I cant find any proof other than there were Kings in the Cornstalk line, but I do not seem to be linked to any of them from what I see. My mother told me my dad introduced her to 3 or 4 Indians that were on his side at my Aunt Lillians funeral but she does not remember their names and it was in the 70’s. So Amanda has been trying to help me make the connection and has been a big help. If you need any more infor I will try to get what I can on the Cochrans. I do know they tie into the Shamblins. thanks
March 18, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Mary Bluesky Cornstalk is my 7g grandmother. Lonnie Roe Adkins, son of Arch Williiam Adkins is my granfather. I have been doing research for ten years in attepmts to get a CDIB card from Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah. I live near there and could easily sumbit my application but I am having trouble finding a roll number in my direct lineage. Are there any Adkins that are in this lineage known to have had a roll number?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
March 18, 2011 at 9:12 pm
when it comes to roll numbers as much as I hate to say this many were lost and if they did not go when they where told too they may not have one as for with the cornstalk I know they were shawnee his wife moytoy was cherokee not sure on his other wives as for getting your card take your family line what ever proof you can get on who ever cornstalk bllod that traces you as a grandchild you may want to call the eastern cherokees that were I went though and now Im told that I can claim at least 2 more tribes from my family line I got the ball rolling on the shawnee card I have a Chewah card and still I don’t have my line they know it I don’t I am of cornstalk the only other way is a blood test to prove your native blood line hope this helps I have been working with alot of people the past 9 months and learned alot and to everyone always triple check your info if there 2 matches you should be good not everything you see or read is right
March 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I just want to let everyone know there planning a red man march 2012 you don’t need your card or to be native to help by coming were on face book and you can talk to me or franklin cornstalk to get info!
March 21, 2011 at 11:32 am
I did find that under Nancy Moytoy, sister to Moytoy of Tellico(who is Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk’s father), a woman by the name of Annie Davis Terrell b:1906 is on a Dawes card#6536 roll#15664 and Miller app#8031 roll#26653. Annie is the 5 great-granddaughter of Nancy Moytoy, great-granddaughter to MaryAnn Blackfox. Just thought I would share this information.
March 21, 2011 at 11:38 am
I seen a picture that my uncle Mark Adkins has of Joseph Preston Adkins b:1853 (my great great grandfather) and on the back it said full-blood Comanche. Can anyone affirm the validity of this? Or is it possible that he was just the Cherokee/Shawnee that we stem from and someone was misinformed?
March 21, 2011 at 11:59 am
Sorry, it seems I;m posting alot but I am hoping someone can help me with this as well. Elijah C. Adkins born 1827 married Catherine Ann C. Adkins, his parents were Joseph Adkins b:1830 and Dicey Halbert b;1807. I am stuck here, who are Joseph’s parents? I am assuming that Elijah and Catherine were cousins??
March 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I see that I’ve some incorrect dates and got my info crossed…Elijah C. Adkins b:1827 d:1891 married Sarah Ann C. Adkins b:1835 d:1876. Joseph Adkins b:1785 d:1830 married Dicey Halbert b:1807 d:1880. I still may have dates wrong for Joseph, but either way I cannot figure out who his parents are…cariewestbrook@live.com
March 23, 2011 at 8:17 am
Dear Carie,
I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I have read all of your posts, and was hoping someone with some first hand knowledge would respond, but since no one has, I will try to do some further digging. I don’t see them on my tree. I’m sure they are somewhere.
I did find:
Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002
about D Halbert
Name: D Halbert
Spouse: J Atkins
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1825
Marriage County: Knox
Marriage State: Tennessee
March 23, 2011 at 8:25 am
Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858
page 96
Gillispie, Evan, Jr. and Dicey Atkins, dau. John,Nov. 3, 1834. Sur. Joseph Adkins. 60.
March 23, 2011 at 6:30 pm
I have read many of the posts concerning Cornstalk and his descendants on your website. I also read part of Don Greene’s book on Google Books. I would like to email him and ask him whether or not he could answer a few questions for me about Parker Adkins who he says was possibly Shawnee-Metis. I am not sure what this means or where to go for confirmation of this. I don’t know if this means he was part Indian himself or what. Do you know how I might contact him?
March 23, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Dear Wanda,
Actually, yes & no. I have some old contact information for him, but it was given some time back and it was told to me that he didn’t really want to discuss it with me. So I’m a little fearful to give it out, and then you be met with negative comments. So, should you decide to contact him thru his publisher, then it will be your decision. I don’t want to be a go between. I hope he will speak to you about it, but I can’t make any promise. Please contact him directly if you feel that you need to do that. He may have a local book signing somewhere, that you might get an opportunity to speak with him. I wish you all the luck in the world.
Best Wishes and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 25, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Sheila,
After a bit more research myself, I believe that his father was Jesse Adkins, son of William V. Adkins. But it is possible that I am wrong. Thanks for your input. It can get pretty confusing, all this information. I am curious your thought on Elijah Adkins that married White Wing “Big Nancy”, do you believe his mother was Bluesky? Many sites/ppl show Bluesky and Parker V. to have been married in 1867 and Elijah was born in 1868.
March 26, 2011 at 8:08 am
Dear Charity,
Blue Sky only gave birth to two children. Littleberry & Charity.
Respectfully,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Hi,
Where can I find the documentation that Bluesky only had 2 children?
I know some books are meant to be fictional and simply entertaining.
I susspect there may be documentary “proof” somewhere like the National Archives?
I saw a photo of Elijah Adkins’s Son Levi Adkins and wonder if he appears to be Native American to you?
March 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Dear Bob,
The Shawnee Heritage II book is a book written by those whom have access to the reservation and to the History of the family. I’m not afflicted with it in any way. I have talked to Ronnie Adkins, author of Adkins, Land of York (Surrey County, England) to Beech Fork (Wayne County, West Virginia). Very nice guy and he’s done a massive amount of research on the family in Virgina and their history. He has contacted many of the relatives and this is the account that the family gives. I don’t know how much of it is fiction. I can imagine that some mistakes may have been made, a few wrong conclusions drawn, but I’m sure human error didn’t cloud all of it.
The biggest inconsistencies actually, lay with Mitha mother of Elizabeth Parker. https://adkinsmetcalffamily.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/mitha-1660-1754/. If you can follow that. See all Searchs on this blog related to “Mithaology.”
There are many – many Native American Indians in this line. But Charity & Littleberry are the only two children of Mary Blue Sky Cornstalk. All of the other children were born to first wife. See https://adkinsmetcalffamily.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/parker-vincent-adkins-1720-1792/
Thanks for your comment and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
March 28, 2011 at 11:57 am
I have just learned that I may be a descendant of Esther Cutewah CORNSTALK (1748 – 1777) who married Thomas Sowards. Can anyone tell me anything about her or this line. I am not familiar with researching an Indian ancestor. Thank you so much.
April 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Hi evryonne,
My family surname is Parrish and we have lineage to Greenbrier cornstallk daughter of Chief cornstalk. If you woul like I can get the info and post it for you.
April 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm
also if you have info on when parrish line comes in I would appreciate it..
May 16, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Just in case some of you were looking for a King Connection in Kanawha West Virginia, I finally have a good start on my family tree, feel free to view it here. I know there were a few people trying to find their King ties so hope it helps someone here let me know. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/790966/family
May 19, 2011 at 9:41 am
My Adkins line is from Tennessee near LaFollette. My father was Bobby Eugene Adkins, his father was James Adkins, married to Hazel Rose Wilson. Papaw (James) told us that he was born in the Oklahoma Territory before it was a state. He said he hated farming and ran away from home as soon as he could. Spent time as a gambler in New Orleans and then went back to Tennessee where he married an Indian cousin named Blue Sky. I hope this helps anyone else searching.
My dad had three sisters, Margie, Betty and Joyce Adkins.
May 19, 2011 at 9:44 am
so sorry, that was my Great grandpa who was born in oklahoma. I got that first hand from him in 1967, and he was 110 yrs old at that time. He had a daughter, Sarah Adkins who was my grandpa Jimmy Adkins’ sister. Also, Pappaw passed away December 26th, 1979. At his funeral were flowers from Bear Hollow Baptist Church in Tennessee where he was a deacon.
May 19, 2011 at 11:51 am
Dear Delene,
Are you saying that your Great-Great Grandpa was Parker Adkins from 1720-1792 in Montgomery County, Virginia? I didn’t quite follow that. We’re there two Blue Sky’s?
Can you run your line all the way for me?
Also, so you have a pic of your Grandpa that you would share? If so, email it to me at vvsfan@msn.com
This way I’ll know where you’re coming from.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 23, 2011 at 11:23 pm
did more on the family tree found the last name leftwich found a tree that said there related to litle berry anyone run accross that name?
May 31, 2011 at 3:03 am
Hello, my name is paul,and it was not until recently,thru research, bless my mothers hard work, that i am a descendant of Chief Cornstalk.He is my 6th great gradfather.I have searched many sites gathering information and i appologise if i may have intruded on yours……..
May 31, 2011 at 6:20 am
Dear Paul,
Please don’t apologize, that’s what its here for. To help gather information on our collective families. I’m glad you’ve found what you were looking for. If you’d like to share your line, we”d all appreciate it.
Thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
June 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Dear Sheila,
I am very confused at this point.Upon further investigation,I am finding many mistakes thru ancestry.com and other sites.The jouney strarted as i began to look into the Bokavar/Freind line.Little is known of Sarah Bokavar,I gather she was a indian princess of shawnee blood.I knew nothing of Chief Cornstalk,until i typed in her name in ancestry .com and it listed her father as being Chief Cornstalk…..The date of her birth 1711-1764 does not correlate of that of the Cheif.I just dont uderstand how other people are using her name in my line as being the daughter…
Thank you sincerely and to all of the Adkins family……….
June 1, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Dear Paul,
I’m not entirely sure where you’re going with your line. I haven’t followed it. Are you sure you have the right Chief Cornstalk? There were many of them. He too had sons. Most became some type of Chief if memory serves correctly.
The myth that she was an Indian Princess would be her name, not her status. The Cherokee denounce they had princesses. None to speak of. Shawnee have similar reports. I think it must have been more in terms of an endearment as apposed to a nobility.
Can you trek up your tree for me and tell me how you got to Hokoleskwa Cornstalk? If you wouldn’t mind sharing that, this will help me to isolate your line.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
June 1, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Dear Sheila,
I am very sorry to bother you with my line.I was at a dead end with Sarah Catherine Bokavar until i punched her name in ancestor.com and i mean hundreds of people where claiming her to be the daughter of Hokoleskwa. But she was born before the Chief Cornstalk that is related to your family.I do know she married israel friend who was an Indian ambassador to the Shawnee Indians.The kings of 5 nations had givin him much land along the potomac above the Shenandoah River,and Antietam Creek,Which would then later become the great civil war battle.His deed is in a museum to this day…
June 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Sarah Bokavar married Israel Freind,im at a dead end with sarah who every one claims to be the daughter of Keigh-taugh-quah….NOT POSSIBLE.
Sorry to waste your time…..paul
July 22, 2011 at 9:37 am
Hi everyone ,you all have helped me so much ,I come through the Adkins line as follows
Myself
Samuel Paul Cochran
Virgil Cochran
Letillis Adams
Angeline Adkins
Cainaan Adkins
Hezikiah Adkins
LitteBerry Adkins
Parker V Adkins (married Bluesky Cornstalk
My father Samuel Paul left my mom when I was 6 months old ,and I am the only child they had together , I started looking up things on my own ,because I didnt know anything about my family on Dads side, I met a cousin from Wayne County WVa ,Glenna and she gave me a lot of pitures and bless her heart wrote on back everything I needed, I just want to think all of you ,you have helped me here and ,its a pleasure to know you are all related to me in some way ,
I wish I had some pictures of Cainaan and his father and so on,or any of the other family members ,
Thank you
Kathy Cheyenne
July 22, 2011 at 11:16 am
You’re very welcome and thank you for sharing your family tree with us. I know at some point in everyone’s life, they can’t go on, until the look back. I also know that at some point in your life the now you will reach back and touch the then you.
I’m not sure what would have happened in this couples life to cause a separation, but you’re the result of their union. Ordained and Blessed. So for that, you can always be thankful. I know I am.
Thanks as always and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
July 28, 2011 at 7:05 am
my name is Evelyn Brown. Everyone calls me Tynk, so I would appreciate it if you would also. My great grandma Is Minnie Ailstock. We are descendants of Chief Cornstalk. He is my 6th great grandfather. I would love more information if anyone would supply this for me I would appreciate it. Thank you, my e-mail is tynkerbell_1964@yahoo.com and you can find me on facebook under Tynk Brown.
July 28, 2011 at 8:50 am
Dear Tynk,
I think I’ve answered a few of your questions in today’s post. Please feel free to add whatever information that you may have on the family.
As Always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
July 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Tynk is brown your brith name? I have browns in my tree I also have whites and kings and turners and the list goes one I have found my link to cornstalk but the cheif said its there I did find other info my tree is has me lost the whites the browns all hit a dead end
August 16, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Hello to all
Any or all of you may contact me at
shawneeprof1@skybest.com
or
336-384-1501 during the day (EST) is best for me
sincerely hoping to answer some of your questions and maybe learn something myself
Don Spirit Wolf Greene
author of “Shawnee Heritage” and “Shawnee Heritage II”
August 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Dear Don,
Thank you in advance for your most gracious offer to aide the family in our research. I know you have worked on your research for many years now, although I didn’t read your book in it’s entirely, I did respect the work that went into it.
I do have many questions that I would like to pick your brain on sometime. Two off the top of my head are:
1). What happened to Little Nancy Adkins when her mother ran off with Tecumseh? and 2). Where did you get the Surname of “JONES” for Mary Frye of Alexander?
I have many many more and hope to get to them in time.
I’m very excited about this opportunity and appreciate your help.
Sincerely,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Sheila,
I am showing that Chief Cornstalks wife my 7th greatgrandfather was Helizikinopo Ounaconoa Moytoy from the wolf clan of the Cherokee
Then other places it has Ounaconoa Moytoy as his second wife ,which one is correct or are both
Thanks Kathy
August 21, 2011 at 9:36 pm
elizbeth akinson married a mayes I think anyone have her? and I think moytoy was the 2nd wife and I know she is the mother of john wolf cornstalk who later chaged his last name to avery I think I will have to look that up because 2 kids changed there names to there wife names astewart2699@aol.com if you want to talk on this part of family
August 22, 2011 at 7:29 am
Dear Kathy,
Helizikinopo was his first wife, Ounaconoa Moytoy was 2nd and Julia Scot was his 3rd wife. I know it gets kind of confusing since they, were basically, all married at the same time (Sort of like the Moses’ wives and concubines thing – too many to keep up with). I have a hard time sorting out the kids myself. For some, their lineage is well documented and others, not so much.
Wawwaythi Whitefish Okowellos”Ionoco” Sunfish & and 1st wife Katee “Bird” Mekoche, parents of Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, had so many children that their lines keep crossing.
Makes for a lot more of questions, maybe Amanda can ask for council with one of the sub-chief’s and see if she can see where the Shawnee & Cherokee split and which Ionoco & Hokoleskwa descendants went where and with whom.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 22, 2011 at 7:47 am
PS: I have Wolf Piaserka CORNSTALK (1733-1788) Shawnee, Perry, Ohio on my tree as the son of Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk & Helizikinopo.
Now, I’m not saying that my tree is 100% accurate. There’s always, a margin for mistake. I only have what was reported by the descendants and any part of it could be wrong or what they were told, but since we weren’t there, anything could have happened… I have cousins that were raised by people and they took their name, even though they was not their parents. One cousin was a born Howard, but went by Reed, not sure why. No one was sure what she put on her babies birth & death certificate, so it took some real digging to find.
I hope this helps.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm
It sure did and thank you so much ,I am trying to find where and how ,to check on getting enrollement for either ,and what I might need to do it ,can you help me with that ,I would so appreciate it because I know that Shawnee an Cherokee are entertwined here, I know they went by the mother and what Tribe she was from ,do we know on Katie Bird ,and you are right they crossed so much ,its unreal, I am going to be related to myself 3 times here lol
Thank You
Kathy
August 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Katee Bird was of the Mekoche Sept, in charge of health, medicine and food.
August 29, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Wneupuechsiki Keightughquah (photo above) ~~ does anybody know what Shawnee tribe of which he was Chief? Absentee Shawnee, Eastern Shawnee or Shawnee Tribe (Loyal Shawnee)?
August 29, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Dear Cherry,
The granddaughter Cornstalk, a member of the Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, Bear Clan Headwoman and member of the Konoohee Band… could tell you. You could ask her.
Good luck with that,
Sheila
August 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Shelia, I don’t know how to take your comment above but I would say most reading it would think you are being cynical of me. Anyway….IF you would like documentation to any of the above I can provide it. I don’t proclaim anything without proper documentation. :-)
Cherry, Chief Cornstalks Shawnee were Eastern Woodland Shawnee. The Absentee are the ones on the reservation. If you would like more information I would be happy to help you or you could email our Chief Don Greene at his above email address.
August 30, 2011 at 9:54 am
Dearest Debbie Adkins Vance aka Red Crow,
After our recent encounters, I would not recommend that anyone contact you. But, should they chose to, it’s on them. I would offer a word of warning to tread lightly. In my opinion, I feel that you’re a harsh and spiteful woman, with whom, I would not have a direct fellowship.
We share the same Adkins Surname, but not demeanor. Granted we are related, same heritage, different line, working for same endeavor. But, I personally feel no kinship.
I had asked did ask for proof, and was shunned. Luckily, a wonderful woman came to my aide and I haven given her full credit. When that was all I had asked for. You made serious accusations and yet, I was polite to you; went as far as to try to stay on your good side. I see now, that you don’t have one.
So as for me and my house, I choose not to, but would not want to stop anyone else, whom is willing, to do so. I wish each and everyone of them the best of luck and the same to you.
Have a nice day!
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 30, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Shelia I am so sorry that you can’t remember from one post to the next what you are saying. YOU told Cherry to ask me! Now you say you wouldn’t recommend me? Which is it? I only answered the girl.
As for the other accusations, I only stated the facts, that there was information omitted from Don Greenes work because Mitha is there. I did not say you omitted it, if you go back and read, I said “In transcribing, copy/paste, or where ever you got it, she was omitted.
August 26 at 11:46pm” It could have been done by anyone if you got it from a webpage. I did try to help in telling you that it was Don Greenes work and he could help you farther if you needed it. I was also trying to help you by telling you Mitha was omitted from the work you had published on your pages. The whole problem here with you is I recgonized my Chiefs work and asked you to give him credit for it which is the rightful thing to do when you use someone elses work. You have a note at the end of some of the work saying it came from The Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, which Don Greene is the Chief of, then you go on in a comment to tell me “Actually, this is from Ancestry.com copied from my own family tree. I assure you, I don’t own his books, and I’ve only consulted with one person, well now two, that even knew him.” If you think about it and read it, you can see where I would become confused as would anyone else reading it. You have two polar opposite statements on the same post on your facebook 1. giving credit to Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, then 2. Ancestry and your own family tree. Again, which is it?
Then you try to tell me that a man named Grin gave Chief Don all his material? “If there are any of his work there it would have been sent to me, possibly by the same person that sent it to him. A professor named Grin, I’m looking for his posts now, talked a lot about it. But I’ve talked to so many people over the last few years and we’ve speculated so many times. The last few entries, I got was from the Shawnee Nations Genealogist and was told to not talk to Don Greene. I said, “Not a problem!” I never have.
Saturday at 8:26am ” I assured you Grin is not a professor and that I knew him as did our Chief. They worked together on some research and if he gave you information then you should have noted him also……again, the right thing to do.
I didn’t ugly talk you but you have repeatedly said sarcastic remarks against me on your facebook and here. The above post is one, which mocks the very being I am. As I told you, I can prove who I am, I have documentation. I don’t take lightly someone making fun of me and my Native heritage. I am a member of the Appalachian Shawnee Tribe, Chief Don Greene is my Chief, I am a member of the Konoohee Band, Chief Copperhead Chris Winnell is my Chief and of both I am the Bear Clan Headwoman. On your facebook you have also made comments, one “Sheila Jean Metcalf its worse than that! Wild animals I an get used to, its old crows that make me crazy!” AFTER I told you my name is Red Crow! You may claim Native blood but no true Native would ever make fun of a sister or brothers name, EVER! Again above you say I am a harsh spiteful woman. Where have I called you names?
My contact with you is over. I am Cornstalk and all I want is peace and for the truth to be told but you make it hard. God bless you.
Debbie Red Crow
August 30, 2011 at 9:03 pm
The action IN our words will be the footsteps that many will follow from your site….No honor will be gained by people creating family connections that are not their own.
Facts are facts and making up stories has no place in genealogy regardless of how entertained some may be by it. You do NO ONE a service by misleading with half truths. I do not know you personally but I can tell from your research that you have taken a lot of creative liberty with the Cornstalk family genealogy.
A genealogist’s behavior needs to be impeccable at all times in their research. We honor our ancestors in our deeds and the actions we follow. And when those that create a history around half truths must face these grandmothers in the next life…. I hope you hang your head in shame for denying your true lines in order to claim those that make better bragging rights.
Amanda does not yet have proven Cornstalk direct line…and it is not her place to be adopting total strangers into a family tree that she doesn’t even know is her own. Having cousin connections to cousins with Cornstalk lines does not make you a Cornstalk. Amanda is giving many the impression that she is a card carrying Cherokee and also a Shawnee direct line of Chief Cornstalk….and has been raised in the traditional ways of the Shawnee….all of which is NOT true. The card that she is referring to is one that she or some family member BOUGHT at a pow wow. When you go forward claiming Cornstalk direct blood and flashing a Wannabe fake card around as your proof….you not only make yourself look like a FOOL but you discredit the whole family.
As for your mean and nasty comments about Debbie Adkins Vance aka Red Crow…you should be ashamed of how you have spoken in such a disrespectful and condescending way. I have worked closely with Debbie In REAL genealogy…not mythology as you seem to prefer. As a word of advice…get out of your fairy tale stories and try using the standard tools of a REAL genealogist….census records, birth records, land deeds, and facts…REAL FACTS! And my advice goes double for Amanda…I have worked LONG hours on your family line….and to see you go forward with MY work making claims of TOTAL falsehood should give any one with morals cause for shame….but no worry for you AMANDA you have NONE! I am done with the likes of you. I hope someday that you face your REAL grandparents and must explain WHY you chose to ignore them and claim another so that you could have creditability in the Native world in which you have no legitimate claim!
August 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Dear Donna & Debbie,
As for being a Cherokee descendant, I am. That has never been in question. My mother’s mother was as was her mother, she spent many a weekend with her family on the reservation in Missouri. Leave them out of this. My uncle Jim & aunt Jackie are both still living and can attest to this. My cousin Sandy is the only one that embraces it, she has every inch of her home, decorated in Cherokee family (everything).
This is Ohio, you don’t need a card to get on the reservation. You only need one for states like Missouri, etc.
I too have spent 100 +’s of hours, looking at old family books, census records, visiting and interviewing, and the like. I get 100’s of emails from family members all over. I was once locked in a cemetery, had to call 911. I’m sure you may remember that.
The old crow message was about a vignette that I placed in my living room. Its part of a song, “The wise old owl and the big black crow.” I bought 2 owls from Kroger and needed the crow! If we were actually “FRIENDS” on Facebook, you would have seen the picture and the reference to my friend Kelly, who has the old black crows, all over her house, but I can’t find one for that Fall vignette and asked to borrow one. See pix! Brady is one of my old neighbors, and we share lots of things – like sarcasm, I spent the day at Ikea shopping for an upcoming wedding and I don’t have time to go to any Rustic country stores, to look for one and the pip berry spray to go with. I hate leaving things undone – don’t you? No apology necessary!
I would like to say that I reread your posts and all seem hostile to me, I’m not sure where I was mislead or was misleading. I did get my info from someone as you know. And, lots of IM’s telling me to avoid Don Greene, that he was an arrogant man, only after I had posted that he posted on my blog and was willing to help with any questions. I had gotten this information a long time ago, but dismissed it, because I had no proof. None was offered. You admitted scoping out my blog many times, and yet didn’t offer it until now.
Grin: In my comments that Garen aka Grin said that I had quoted his research. I said, I had looked all over my blog and could not see where he had added anything that I could quote or would need to for that matter. We had never met, nor had he shared any pertinent information, nor did I have access to his work. See all of his comments. (I couldn’t pick the guy out of a tree).
You had asked about my saving my research notes and giving credit where credit was due. I keep all my notes on here or on Ancestry.com. I then just copy & paste them to emails, my blog, etc. Since, I share everything that I have with the family, when I get it, so that we all have the same information, to keep building on, you’d have to go back to every single post on this blog to see that. I have a very full life and work feverishly ever minute of it. I don’t have time to boost people’s ego’s. This is HISTORY! You can’t change it, you learn from it. It happened, we take the time to teach our children what we have learned. So that we never forget. It has already taken place, and someone remembers, we just have to find that person.
I’m sure it won’t make any difference here one way or the other, I don’t intend to turn this into a cat fight.
You and I, could have had a nice relationship, had you offered what you had to the whole family, long before now and come to me in private – to set me straight – so to speak, but you didn’t do that. I may have mishandled it as well, its hard to know how someone is framing their comments when writing, unless they’re professional writers with proof readers. To make no mistakes. Its all moot now, since it’s gone too far for that.
Next time, we’ll stick to Farmville.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 31, 2011 at 11:47 am
WHEN did they add a reservation in Missouri….shouldn’t the Federal government know about that sort of thing or is this too another of the mythology stories. If you had read my above post and comprehended what I was saying, at no point did I even mention your Cherokee heritage, only Amanda’s. Also at NO point did I mention a NEED to have a card to get ON a Reservation in any state. The card I mention was the FAKE card that Amanda is using to claim or IMPLY that she is a Federal Recognized Native American. Card paid for at Pow Wow are FAKES!
You know you had a really good idea with this whole thing but you let it get out of hand when you took creative liberties with your work. Now everything that you have every worked on is suspect. And I pity all those that have added your questionable work to their genealogies…because now they to must purge the fiction from the facts. You do NO ONE a service when you create the appearance of facts with other REAL genealogist’s work…..just saying…..
August 31, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Dear Donna,
I’m sorry that you persist in attacking Amanda, and I have no idea why. She is not a party to this in any way. So for you to attack someone outside this query seems a bit harsh.
I’m not sure what is questionable here. What I have invented? Its all HISTORY and it’s accurate as far as I know. I was told by several people that Mitha was the daughter of Straight Tail, which even Debbie Vance, says is true. It was not given to me by Debbie, nor did she help me in any way, to get any information.
My mother was born in LaCygne, Linn, Kansas and her family lived in Missouri. They traveled weekends to visit them on the reservation. I didn’t get an exact address and she has since past away. I have held pictures of it and my relatives in my own hands. Given to me by my Grandpa Stump that has now past away. It was really old and broken, so I discarded it, or I would post it here. He came across country as a child in a covered wagon and my oldest sister owns the quilt that his mother made (its made from white flour sack with red pattern) that he had with him. Its really old and I know it’s true. I sat through many a story as a child with him and my Great aunts & uncles rehashing it all. I was a child, but I was there.
My uncle Jim may know its whereabouts, but it’s not relevant here. I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about, “the appearance of facts.” What is that all about? I’m sorry, I am truly at a loss here.
Are you arguing about something “specific,” that I can address or just for the sake of arguing?
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_are_the_different_Cherokee_reservations_located
There is only one “Cherokee Reservation” in existence, that is located in North Carolina and held by the Eastern Band of Cherokee. It is not a ‘normal’ reservation however, in that it recognizes a line and defines land holders within 100 miles of that line to be ‘in’ the reservation.
The “Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma” has jurisdiction over several counties there, but it is NOT a reservation. The state of Oklahoma is in itself a ‘reservation’ to Indians.
There was a “tribe” (not to be confused with a reservation) called the Missouri’s which were Algonquian, as our Shawnee are also.
There are Cherokee living in Arkansas and Missouri but they are not on a reservation. They refer to themselves as The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory.
I also find Lost Cherokee of Arkansas and Missouri Inc. who are seeking tribal recognition but as of now, have none.
Here is a list of tribes, again NOT to be confused with reservations. Although it needs to be updated, it is pretty good for reference.
http://500nations.com/tribes/Tribes_State-by-State.asp
August 31, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Hello….most of the stuff that you ramble on about here seems to be relevant…I am NOT surprise that you can’t keep your own facts straight…even if you were trying.
As for me attacking someone outside of this query….Here is what YOU posted at the top of this page….IN YOUR WORDS…This post is for AMANDA and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle:
I mentioned in my first post that I DID months of research as a favor for Amanda….WE all know that she does NOT have a Cornstalk direct line….being the niece of a man that wife’s grandfather is Cornstalk is a fancy way of saying “this is NOT my LINE” and the way you have this posted you are saying that this is Amanda line which it is NOT! Ask Amanda why I have issues with how she is using my genealogy work. I am sure IF she told the truth that there would be further doubt what the problem here is.
And it was just so lovely to see how you jumped at the chance to use Debbie to regain creditability on the subject of the history of Milta which was NEVER been mentioned or doubted. And don’t expect me to go through your mountains of misinformation and point out your errors….if you had done the job right in the first place as you should have, this conversation would not be taking place! And I REPEAT from my first post….A genealogist’s behavior needs to be impeccable at all times in their research. THAT is the problem I have MOST with your ramblings. I will waste no more of my time with your silliness! Ramble on…so be IT!
August 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm
This post is for Amanda and all of the Adkins’ family that spring from Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk, the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 5th great grand uncle: Post Date :
October 11, 2010 at 11:06 am. Amanda had asked the original question and then the post took on more. Its had a lot added to it and more added to it since then. I cannot alter the original posts without changing it all. That’s why, I keep making new posts.
Mitha was the daughter of Straight Tail.
Mitha was the mother of Elizabeth Parker, wife of William Adkins/Atkinson. ~ ‘Lyn’
September 15, 2011 at 11:51 am
I am decendant of Elijah Adkins to Lewis,married Elizabeth Monroe.Down to their da- Elizabeth(Hubbs)da Malinda Hubbs.ma-Howard Alexander Monroe then to Albert.Anyway confused with line,several places showed on tree Elijah was son of Parker and step son of Blue skies.Richard mar-White wing had 3sons and one da.She left with da-White wing showed dad young Cornstalk and Elizabeth C. See.Guess that makes Lewis half Indian ??So confused,also Chet Atkins were decendants of my gr-parents Lewis and Elizabeth Atkins.If ya can please set me straight,other side down from Mark and son calvin to Howard ,to Albert.Thanks Linda
September 15, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I found parkers with the adkins is that right?
September 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm
To Linda:
Yes the White Wing was the daughteer of Young Peter Cornstalk and Elizabeth Catherine See. Young Peter Cornstalk(Peter II) was 1/2 Shawnee 1/2 Cherokee. Elijah himself was Shawnee-Metis (Indian-European), as Parker V. Adkins was Shawnee-Metis. White Wing left Elijah and became the 3rd wife of Tecumseh. Richard Adkins was my 5th great grandfather. I don’t have my papers handy, where does Lewis tie in?
September 16, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Anita, you should look at the Tipsword,Sowards, Beck, Force web site for some answers. It appears I am from a Doty line that runs thru a different line than Cornstalks. although the Doty’s and Cornstalk are related. Do you know of any connection of Daniel Boone and cornstalk ?
September 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
i was wondering if anybody had information on family tree. my 3g grandfather david crockett coleman married mary ann thacher aug.31,1865.her fathers name was nathaniel thacher mother delilah blackburn. absolom thacker married nancy adkins. i think this is 4g or 5g grand mother where the shawnee indians comes through the family blood line. im trying to establish the blood line and if anybody could help.
September 25, 2011 at 11:04 am
Hello, my name is Lawrence Clark, I am a 6th great grandson of Chief Cornstalk through Bluesky and Parker to the Adkins line (Charity & Chloe) to the Clark line of Huntington, W.V.
However, I reside in N.Y. with my mother’s people, my father, a Clark resides in CA, but his family still resides in Huntington.
My mother ( part Mohawk of the 6 nations Canada ) and I will be traveling to Point Pleasant on Sept 26,2011 to visit my 6th great grandfather’s burial site.
We will post pictures after our return home.
Good to know everyone here.
Lawrence
September 29, 2011 at 9:17 pm
How can you continue to spread the lore connecting the Ailstock family with Chief Cornstalk when there is NO evidence to support it? DNA testing shows that the male Michael-Absalom-Absalom line in the Ailstock family was African NOT Native American. They were likely the descendants of free negroes and are more connected with the Melungeons than the Shawnee tribe.
September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am
Dear Geoff,
The majority of the Family were Melungeon aka Mulatto, most of them intermarried. Its not lore, its history, documented fact from historical records. There are no Native American DNA markers. I can’t express it any other way. His third wife was Julia Scot. Her children rebelled against the family for whatever reason(s) (lots of speculation).
1850 United States Federal Census about Absalom Ailstock
Name: Absalom Ailstock
Age: 94
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1756
Color: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): District 51 and A Half, Rockbridge, Virginia
Family Number: 285
Household Members:
Name Age
Absalom Ailstock 94
Nancy Ailstock 47
Margaret Ailstock 16
In 1850 Absalom aka Absaloma Alistock Cornstalk, and his wife Nancy lived in Rockbridge as did his son Absalom. He also, reports being born in 1756, which would have been around or after the death of his mother. Family believes him to have been born around 1748. These were very common mistakes. You have to check them against other documents from the time, but he (or someone else) reported his Color as Mulatto. Mulattos may also be an admixture of Native American, South American native and African Americans according to Henings Statutes of Virginia 1705, which reads as follows: “And for clearing all manner of doubts which hereafter may happen to arise upon the construction of this act, or any other act, who shall be accounted a mulatto, Be it enacted and declared, and it is hereby enacted and declared, That the child of an Indian and the child, grand child, or great grand child, of a negro shall be deemed, accounted, held and taken to be a mulatto.”
Due to this Historical document, today we have Caucasian people with birth certificates that read, as Negro, Black or African American due to their mixed-heredity; heredity lineage dating back that far.
Thanks for you comment, I do appreciate your input. I’m sure it won’t clarify it in your mind, nor change your thinking on the matter, but it does in mine.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
October 2, 2011 at 8:54 pm
You are correct the many people of native or mixed heritage where labeled as ‘Negro’ or ‘mulatto’ in state records due to the racist Plecker Laws and one-drop rule practiced in Virginia but that misses my point entirely.
Paternal DNA testing from the Michael-Absalom-Absalom line show their ancestry to be Bantu African rather than Native American. There is no way they are the direct sons of Chief Cornsalk. My Ailstock line married into Native Monacan families in Amherst County so the family does have some Native American blood but it is not from the direct male line but from the mother’s families.
I would love to continue a dialogue and open to any evidence that shows anything to ton contrary. The Cornstalk story has existed in our family for many years but that does not make it true.
October 8, 2011 at 9:16 am
does anyboby know how the coleman name comes into play. my 3ggreat david crockett coleman married maary ann thacher. how do you prove your indian heritage. it looks like marry ann thacher father was absolom thacher who married nancy adkins. if this is true nancy adkins was 1/2 shawnee indian.anyboby with information would be helpful. im trying to do my family tree on the coleman side.
October 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I am having a problem with Nancy Adkins,who were her parents ,I have Nancy married to Littleberry my 5th Great grandfather ,but which Nancy was married to Elijah that left him for Tecumseh
Thanks Kathy
November 30, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Hi there Sheila, hope you had a very good Thanksgiving. Since I first posted, I am happy to say that my father, Bobby Adkins has been found after 15 years and is now at home with us. This will make tracing my Adkins heritage a bit easier. He still insists that his grandmother was full Cherokee but that they lived very high up in the mountains of Tennessee. I understand there is a DNA test which we can take to prove our heritage. Do you know which ones might be best suited to what we need?
Thanks so much for your time and devotion to our family.
November 30, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Dear Delene,
Thank you for your kind words, I do know that my Uncle Denny Ray Adkins took the swab test. He sent it through the Ancestry.com ‘s DNA testing place, so that the results would be registered and to find other DNA matches. They send you the results of others with the same markers. I think it was about $75 or so. I’m not sure, I’ll have to double check on that.
Also, on this site are links to the Adkins DNA project as well as the Melungeon. Any of those would be good, but it would be nice for him to be registered. I always, say that if it were up to me, I’d DNA everyone at birth, for posterity sake.
Thanks again for your comments and Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
December 8, 2011 at 9:14 pm
In light of DNA testing (23andMe), take the test. If you have 1 fullblooded Native Ancestor within 5 generations (4th great grandparent) you should show some Asian (appears for NA heritage). If you want to enjoy the fantasy, don’t take it. DNA test can show ugly truths.
Talking citizenship and not heritage, there are many tribes that are not federally recognized because they cannot prove as a tribe prior to colonization, no language and cannot prove to be descended from Native American peoples, among other qualifications.
Native American heritage is very unique in that most people today, do not really have it as they believe they were told.
Anyway, with regard to Cherokee’s since it is the tribe de jour there are only 3 federally recognized tribes of Cherokees. They are originally from the Southeast of the US and were driven (with other civilized tribes) west via trail of tears between 1832 and 1839. There Cherokee in NC being the last to leave. The Estrn Band formed from Indians that hide in the mountains. The three tribes are.
Estrn Band Cherokee in NW No. Carolina – Need to be 1/16 BQ
Cherokee Nation in OK – No degree BQ, just trace to the Dawes Roll
Konoohee Band in OK – Need to be 1/4 BQ
There are no Cherokee reservations out in Missouri that are authenticated as Native American tribes, regardless if they are giving out cards or popcorn. There are a lot of Cherokee fake tribes running around and these people have none to maybe few drops if any NA ancestry. They have cards, enrollment etc. American Indians don’t start fake tribes, Europeans clinging to vestiges of NA blood if any, do.
It is a crime to steal heritage from another group of people. This has made a mockery of the Cherokee peoples. We are a Native people with our own culture. I encourage people with actual Cherokee ancestry to learn their heritage.
The point of having a tribe federally recognized is so people with actual American Indian ancestry register with actual members of the Cherokee tribe who are not Europeans but real Indians. There are people that have NA ancestry but cannot prove descent because not every Indian especially on the Southeast of the US registered on the Dawes or Baker Rolls.
Just because a state may recognize a claimed Indians group as a *Tribe* does mean they are authenticating it or the people. If the IBA (Indian Bureau of Affairs) cannot validate this, you are not considered an Indian tribe and you cannot claim legal status as an Indian.
There is nothing wrong with saying, you have Cherokee ancestry or Native American heritage, please do not say are are *part Cherokee*, you are either a Cherokee citizens or you are only of Cherokee heritage.
December 9, 2011 at 12:58 am
Thank you! The Ailstock family was African American and DID NOT descend from Chief Cornstalk but is listed on this site and others as his descendants. I would guess this is true of others as well.
January 11, 2012 at 12:22 am
Parker V.Adkins married Mary Fry.Parker fathered two children by Bluesky Cornstalk.Charity and Littleberry.Parkers’ nephew Randolph”Randy” Adkins married Charity.Randolph “Sprang”Adkins, Jr was born.There are two William Adkins also two Parker Adkins or more.William Adkins son Matthew T. married America “Merkie” Adkins had sons named Blackburn Belva and James Anderson Adkins,both are great grandparents to me thru my Dads’ mom and Moms dad.Now whos’ confused?Try sorting your family with that.Thanks for listening.RAA
January 11, 2012 at 9:51 am
Yes RA Adkins, Parker did marry Mary Fry(e) and from what we can discern from our family lore- he also married Bluesky in traditional Indian fashion. This lore has been handed down from Charity to her daughter Chloe Etta Adkins-Clark ( my son’s direct lineage ) I want to think that Parker may have thought he might get away with it, and thought he would where concerning his wife, Mary Fry(e) until when Charity and Littleberry approx. age 6/8 where taken to Parker and Mary’s home to be left, as Bluesky was ill (we now believe this to have been T.B.) Bluesky ( as per lore ) died in VA close to 2 yrs after leaving her children with their father, Parker.
Anybody have anything different ?
Theresa Knowles-Northup Caparco, Rochester, NY.
Mother of Lawrence Clark.
January 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I have found a lot of birth dates too close to parents birth dates.So I tried to follow a path of their travels on Google Earth.Noting places called Indian Grave or Pigeon.Known Indian carvings in Wayne and Salt Rock,WV.the carvings at Salt Rock,WV called Prom Queen.I thought of Bluesky.Placing the pic on a map.the hands are right for Falls at Guyan River,left for falls at Little Coal.The TeePee would be at Point Pleasant area.Dots beside left shoulder, stars showing direction.I believe they follow moon signs.Month of the births counted back 9 months.Bluesky marrying a married man don’t seem correct.Big Laurel in Lincoln Co.,WV has a lot of Cemetaries with Adkinses.
January 22, 2012 at 2:25 am
I have heard my family is related to cornstalk, I have not done a tone of research, but does any of it ever bleed into family name “Bricky” from KY?
January 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Dear Ashley,
As for my tree. I had three surnames of Brickey, Brickley and a Brickens. One each; all woman that married in. I don’t have any others on my tree, nor have I seen any connection, but that’s not to say they aren’t there. I just haven’t covered that. I’m been researching more from West Virginia as of late, so I haven’t looked at any more of the Cornstalk lines. Please do work on your tree and see where that goes. Please do contact the local Nation and see if they have any records of whom from your line may have married in. Cross reference names & dates.
Good luck and thanks for your comment,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 4, 2012 at 1:29 pm
First, I would like to say that I have found more information on this site than I have anywhere. :)
My maternal grandfathers line is Adkins from West Virginia.
My paternal grandfathers line is Lowe-Adkins from Tennessee.
I apologize, if you are duplicating your answers. But, I am having difficulty in find actual verifcation to either proove or dis prove our Native American heritage.
Christine Carroll (NC) 1801? married Michael Lowe (TN)
The family story states that she was full Cherokee. While searching online, I had the option to come to this site. It appears that there was an answer :)
I think it may have been posted sometime ago.
I want to thank you in advance for your time and consideration!
Be blessed!
Lisa
February 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I guess that I should be more specific to the Adkins line. Sorry!
Christine Carroll (1801) NC and MIchael Lowe
Louisa Carroll (1837) Lowe married Lacy Levi Adkins (1838)- born in TN
Lacys parents were John (Jackie) Staton Adkins and Mary Saunders – NC
The story is that Christine Carroll was full Cherokee.
A distant relative stated that Mary Saunders ( Mary Ann) was, or her family was on the rolls.
I have searched, and e-mailed. However, I am unable to substantuate any of the family legends.
Again! Please accept my thanks!
February 4, 2012 at 1:58 pm
My ancestor H.J. Fry was from West Virginia, before going to Ohio, I haven’t connected him to any Native American lines yet.
I wonder if your Adkins line might be mixed with the Cherokee and Shawnee. I see some have Cherokee flags with the Adkins listings online.
February 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm
:) Thank you
February 5, 2012 at 8:41 pm
My Family is Sevier Valentine Sevier married Anna Friend Daughter of Sarah Bokavar & Isareal Friend. Family lore says she was Cherokee all roads lead to the saying the Indians accepted them in the community So I believe she was Shawnee, Cayuga or Cherokee , If you can help since I checked Passengers lists no Bokavar or listed???
February 5, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Dear Sandy,
The history of Colonel Valentine Sevier and wife Joanna Goad. His son General John Sevier are fairly documented. I’m not sure exactly what you’re after. By his first wife, Sarah Hawkins, Sevier had ten children, and by his second wife an unknown Cherokee Indian, he had eight children. Grandson Valentine Sevier was a legitimate son. He & Mary Arnett had John Sevier that married Anna Friend. As for Anna, you’d have to follow her tree up and see where it goes. It would have to be either Creek or Cherokee. Sorry, I personally have never tracked their history.
March 7, 2012 at 1:05 am
I am wondering if there is anyway for you to help me. I am very new at this and am trying to find out how to get everything in order and who to contact in order to get my cards. Here is my information (This all pertains to my mother’s mother side of the family).
My maternal grandmother is Mae McCourt. My grandfather married Susan Christian (my GGM). Her father was Mastin G D M Christman (my GGGF). His father was T Christian-Cornstalk (my 3rd times GF). His father was Elinipsico Cornstalk (my 4th times GF). Then it comes to his father, Chief Keigh-taugh-quah Hokoleskwa Cornstalk (which would make him my 5th times Great-grandfather). My grandmother told me that she was 1/2, which would make me 1/16 Shawnee Indian. I am not sure where to go from here. Thank you so much. I have added a link (website) from ancestry.com to show you my tree from my mother’s side of the family.
Monica
March 18, 2012 at 11:44 am
Hello, I am from Wayne co, WV and my mother line runs through the Adkins side. I think! Ihave death record for a Sherrod Adkins 1775-1859. It shows his parents as Parker and Polly Adkins. I think that Mary was some times called Polly or not. I had some other info that he wsa the last child borned to Mary Blue Sky and Parker in Fincastle, VA. Then I hear that Mary and Parker only had two children. What was their marriage date?? Also info Ihave on Parker’s first wife is that they were married before he and Blue sky. Please help me. Thanks,
Connie
March 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Hi I’m so confused my GGGGG grandmother was Sarah Bokavar married to Israel Friend, all records says she is one of Cornstalk Daughters, Birth date way off, But I can’t find Bokavar family any where but to Sarah. Family Legion is Israel changed her name & passed her as white because in those day it was illegal for a said Marriage between Indians an whites. Israel was a good friend of the Shawnees by all accounts. My Mother always said she had Cayuga & Cherokee Blood. It makes sense since all three tribes lived in the same area. If you know of any records that can figure this out please let me know. Thank
March 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I found this hope it helps.About a Sherrod Adkins.http://genforum.genealogy.com/adkins/messages/5530.html
April 2, 2012 at 6:01 am
Hello, I’ve been working on my family line MATTESON for several years.
My gggrandfather Wm Tecumseh MATTESON born 1825 OH. I’m stumped!
My grandfather said that we were related to Tecumseh (the native American orator), somewhere in our family tree.
He mentioned that his ancestors were on the Trail of Tears, but wondered off
the trail, and came into IN? They said my Matteson ancestors were pale enough to pass for an Englishman?
Wm T. and his wife Sarah Jane Arnold were parents of several children, 6 of them were sets of twins, unfortunately 2 of the children from these sets didn’t
live to adulthood.
From looking at pictures of my grandfather Wm Clayborn MATTESON, and his
sons (one being my father) their skin was very leathery. Then thru other research, in a book that I had been reading my grandfather and Cheif Greenfeather from OK Territory had uncanny resemblances? They could’ve been twins, themselves!
I have found several MATTESON’s on the Dawes Rolls, but on their cards it really didn’t give me any answers? I was mostly interested in the Hester & Wm. MATTESON, where they started their trek for the T/T? Were they mother
& son?
Then in another book, from where I’d copied the main page, and one page of
MATTESON’s, a Eliza E.(16619?); Walter W. (16550?); Leo V. (10651?); Cora
(10652?); William (21921?); Albertus Hester (50654?); These are the numbers to the INDEX to the FINAL ROLLS of Citizens and Freedmen of the
Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory; Prepared by the Commission and Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Approved by the S of the Interior
Prior to March 4 1907. I believe if memory serves me right, came from the
internet < http://media.nara.gov/media/images/35/18/35-1766a.gif.
You can see I've done alot of research, and read alot of books over the last
several years.
I know from research the Shawnee indians were in the Southern IN area, and
someone posted on My Heritage about being related to Cornstalk; when they
were located in the Pike Co., IN area; which is where my gggrandfather Wm Tecumseh MATTESON was married to Sarah Jane Arnold, dau. of Joseph Arnold, where were before their marriage were located in Meulenberg Co. KY.
I'm not seeking any type of heritage which I'm sure we no longer have any
percentage of American Indian heritage anylonger, just would like to justify
any heritage.
I would like to make sure when I make this comment, following that I'm politically correct, which I'm probably not, but my grandfather said not to ever
mention that we are are AI decent, because if they would have another roundup of indians, we could be along with them?
I have contacted several family members around the same age of my grandfather, Wm. Clayborn Matteson, to ask them if they'd ever heard that we
were of American Indian heritage, and they said they'd all had heard it! This goes back to family members that were older than my grandfather, that were
still living at that time.
April 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I m having the same problems My grandparents were Sevier one married a Friend family member who mother was Sarah Bokavar who was suppose to be a daughter od Cornstalk I can’t find ANY FAMILY named Bokavar but her birthdate and Cornstalk birth date are way off, I was also told we had Cherokee/ Cayuga Blood?
April 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Chief Cornstalk was my Grandfather 9 generations back and his son married a Avey woman and thats when our name changed.
April 5, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@Sandy F., Sarah Bokavar is my 8th ggrandmother. I also noticed how messed up the dates of birth was. I deleted him as her father on my wall. B/C according to them, Cornstalk was 1 yr old when she was born, lol…
April 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm
My brother has been researching on ancestry.com and has discovered that Mary Sky may have been our great-grandmother, married to a Joseph Adkins I think? I live in Salt Rock, WV and don’t really remember hearing anything about having Indian heritage but that may be because nobody has researched it that far back. I am excited about the possibility of being a descendant of such an important and powerful man but also a little skeptical of anything found on ancestry.com. Here’s the line that I know for sure:
Andrea Glenn (me, Glenn is my married name)
Gary Walker, my father
Robert Walker, his father
Arnold Walker, Sr., my great grandfather
Elanor Ross, my great great grandmother and Arnold’s mother
Here’s what ancestry.com says:
Elanor’s parents were Elizabeth Adkins and Robert Ross
Elizabeth’s dad was Reuben Adkins
Reuben’s parents were Joseph Adkins and Sarah Sky Cornstalk
Sarah’s parents were Chief Cornstalk and Helizilkinopo Ounacona Snake Moytoy(?)
Can anyone give me any more information or verify any of this? Also, is there a chance that Mary Sky and Sarah Sky are the same person, or is Sarah possibly one of the children who weren’t documented? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
April 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I trust Ancestory .com because I typed in wrong info & they notified me it was incorrect, My problem is My GGGGGGGG Grandmother was Sarah Bokavar married at a young age to Isarel Friend it is said she was a daughter of Cornstalk also Her birth date and Cornstalk are way off. I think they made her older because Isarel might look like he married a child. After Isarel died Sarah married Valentine House so the children of Isarel could keep the land at that time it was illegal for Indians to own land. She left House went with one of thieir children to somewhere I can’t find a death record for her. So I don’t know if your Sarah is my Sarah. Good to find out though
May 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Hello,
I have been doing ancestry research through Ancestry.com for about a year now. I would love to have some confirmation that am on the right track on my maternal grandfather’s ancestral line. His family comes from Wayne Country, WV and is part of the Adkins family.
Here’s my grandfather’s line:
Norman Vaughan
son of Eria Adkins 1902-1976 (married Lucian Vaughan)
daughter of Harmon Adkins Jr. 1877-1911 (married Mariah Jane Napier – also of the Adkins line, see below)
son of Harmon Adkins 1838-1858 (married Mary Elizabeth Endicott)
son of Hezekiah Adkins 1800-1867 (married Nancy Spears)
son of Littleberry Adkins 1767-1853 (married Nancy Adkins)
son of Parker V Adkins 1720-1793 (married Mary Bluesky Cornstalk)
Mary Jane Napier
daughter of Julie Ann Ross 1850-1909 (married John H Napier)
daughter of Aranetta Adkins 1830-1857 (married James Madison Ross)
daughter of Hezekiah Adkins 1800-1867 (married Nancy Spears)
son of Littleberry Adkins 1767-1853 (married Nancy Adkins)
son of Parker V Adkins 1720-1793 (married Mary Bluesky Cornstalk)
My grandfather moved to Minnesota when he married my grandmother so I don’t really know any of my family in West Virginia. Any help/feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
May 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Hi Shiela and everyone..
I am John Charles Cheek, I’ve noticed that when comparing family trees a lot of the same surnames come up.. Wilkinson, Blankenship, Trent. then there is the Cornstalk connection. My GrGrGrandmother was Annie Elizabeth Ailstock she told her Daughter , Bertha Founds, that she was Indian through Cornstalk, I’ve also seen that her Grandfather Absolom Ailstock also said the Ailstocks were Indian, so that they could buy land… There are some who say that the Indian story is just fiction. I don’t know, but there are a lot of people who believe it.. Then Don Green lists the Ailstocks, Michael Absolom and Abraham as the sons of Julia Scott and Cornstalk.. He also adds that they had Shawnee families they abandoned when they returned to the whites..So much information must have a source, I’d love to see it, and would then proudly call myself of Shawnee heritage.. Family lore says Dads side was Cherokee, have had 0 luck proving that also…. What I have found is my family is thouroughy connected to names of people who are native, Cheeks, Wilkersons, Blankenships, Ailstocks, Goins and Adkins.. Oh and GrGrGrGrandmother Anna Olivia Roberts was supposedly Indian also. born 1824 in Rutherford NC.. So many hints so little proof, I am thouroughly frustrated..
May 4, 2012 at 9:04 am
Goins: see Gowen Research Project. The early Gowen family of Virginia (spelling changed many times) was from Angola, Africa). Ailstock (also many spellings) see Ailstock DNA Project led by Cathy Cranford-Ailstock. Shows all tested Ailstock paternal lines to be Bantu African. Stories without proof are just stories, even if very old! Mixed-race people in early America had every reason to invent Native American ancestry rather than claiming African American identity.
May 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I agree the evidence does seem to prove that there is no Native American in the YDNA of the Ailstock line.. I don’t think we can completely ignore the storys told by our ancestors however.. I think there is a strong Native connection within many of the Melungeon families. My YDNA haplotype is R1B1, about as europeon as you can get, yet there are many Cheeks on the Native American Rolls of several different tribes.. I’ve also seen that there are many Goins who do have Native American DNA, Lumbee and Croatan. I think the current Chief of the Lumbee’s is a Goin.. Shawnee or Bantu, my 5th great grandfather Absalom Ailstock was an amazing man, and I’m proud of him.. I just don’t agree with the several Ailstock researchers who so passionately denounce any mention of a connection to Hokelessqua. Actually it was better to be Black in America in the early years than Indian, the blacks had more rights..
May 4, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Just noticed in my previous post I made a mistake in quoting Absalom Ailstock, what he actually said was “We shamed ourselves. We were Indian, but we told them we were black so we could buy land” , I’m not a professional geneologist, I’m just trying to track down the family history for my children and grandchildren. I love the old story’s and I think the Ailstock family is the most interesting of my Ancestors… Then there are the Wilkinson, Wilkersons….
May 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm
My grandmother was Dorothy Turner Inge ,daughter of Robert who married Susan Ailstock,daughter of Levi Simon Ailstock, son of Andrew and Sally Ailstock ,Andrew son of Absalom Ailstock, son of Chief Hokaluska Cornstalk. That’s what I know. Jayinge@gmail.com
May 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm
John Cheeks –
You are correct that many in the Ailstock and Goins families married into Native American families in the 1800s (including my own ancestors). Their descendants are partially African, partially Native American, and predominantly European in ancestry today.
The question, though, is whether Absalom Ailstock was the son (or paternal grandson) of Cheif Cornstalk and the answer is a resounding no. If his Y-DNA was Bantu he could not have been a son or grandson of Cornstalk.
Your comment that it was worse to be of Native American descent than of African descent is Colonial American is greatly misguided. Slavery was made hereditary in Virginia (the birthplace of both families) in 1662. This was only two generations (at most) after the founding of Jamestown. Many mixed-race individuals from the 18th and 19th century claimed Native American identity as it was seen as a middle ground in the black/white dichotomy – the Lumbee are a perfect example.
It is interesting to note that self-identifying “black” descendants of Absalom Ailstock have no stories of Chief Cornstalk in their families – it is only the “white” descendants who claim him as a Native American.
May 4, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Geoff Lawsons said “It is interesting to note that self-identifying “black” descendants of Absalom Ailstock have no stories of Chief Cornstalk in their families – it is only the “white” descendants who claim him as a Native American.”
Not entirely true, I have seen black cousins on Ancestry who proudly claim Cornstalk as an ancestor also.
May 5, 2012 at 11:09 am
Okay maybe some do but some do not. The Aylestocks’s of Ontario, Canada (left Virginia around the time of the Civil War) do not.
May 5, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Anytime we’re talking about things that happened so long ago, I think its a mistake to talk in absolutes, even with DNA. Many of our families have been here in America for Four Hundred years. I have English, Irish, Scots, Swedes, Germans, Italians, Africans and maybe Native ancestors.. I can’t use the possible connection to Cornstalk to claim Shawnee Ancestry, its just to iffy right now. I do think there is more to the story though and I hope it comes out soon! Thanks for the replys Geoff.
May 6, 2012 at 9:06 am
I doubt we will ever know the full story of the Ailstock family but I wanted to make two last points. (1) Chief Cornstalk is thought to have been born in Pennsylvania about 1720. This makes his entire list of children very suspect because the children with the first wife begin in 1730 (age 10) and overlap with the second wife in 1735 (age 15). (2) The Shawnee were not Christians until much later. Their children in the 1700s had naturalistic names like Dancing Bird, Blue Moon, etc. or important placenames like Greenbiar or Monongahela. African Americans (both slave and free) had already converted to Christianity and often had Biblical names like Abraham, Absalom, Moses, Samuel, Noah, or Isaac). Another common African American naming practice was to take the most Anglican name possible (Micheal, John, or Thomas). This was very uncommon for the Shawnee. If you look at the earily Ailstock names, they all fit these African American naming practices, not Shawnee.
May 6, 2012 at 10:32 am
I believe you are placing anglo practices to that of the Native peoples of that era the 1720’s. It was Not uncommon for marriages to take place by age 8 in some tribe cultures, however your statement on naming practices is closer to the truth. Parker V had married Mary Frye and Bluesky, I believe people over time have combined the two, so that now we have, Mary Bluesky –
I am supposing that it should be, Mary Frye (anglo) and Bluesky Cornstalk, (Native) which would follow the Native naming practices of that era.
I believe that Parker V might have thought he might “Get Away” with marrrying Bluesky, while having already been married to Mary Frye- only because they were so far removed from his homeland with Mary Frye.
The timeline suggests that at Parker V’s marriage to Bluesky they would have been deeper into the Virginian countryside apposed to the Mason County area of Ft.Pleasant ( now Point Pleasant W.V) there would have been approximately 100 mile difference between the two.
Lawrence Clark, 5th great grandson of Bluesky.
May 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm
there would have been approximately 100 mile difference between the two.
Lawrence Clark, 5th great grandson of Bluesky.
Ok, here comes my trouble into this minagerie! Can someone send me the
descendency lines of Lawrence Clark?
We’ve always thought our Shawnee line was on our Matteson linage, from what my grandfather told us?
But we also have Clarks in our family! Were these Clarks red-headed? Ours
were, which could be English descent.
Melanie
May 6, 2012 at 9:04 pm
My lines are as follows: Bluesky to Charity Adkins to Chloe Etta Adkins to
Lester Clark to Howard Clark to Larry Clark and to myself, Lawrence Clark.
And yes, some in the Adkins and Clark lines do have somewhat reddish hair.
Reddish Hair would more suggest Scotish or Irish descent than English.
We have Pic’s back to Charity and although skimpy, we do have family lore tales that have been passed down through the years. This would be from the Adkins / Clark line. Do any other lines have any similiar stories that have been passed down? We have been to the burying fields in Wayne, Wayne, W.V. and have visited our ancestors all the way back to Chief Cornstalk buried in Point Pleasant, Mason, W.V.
May 7, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I’ve been tracing my paternal ancestry back and have come to a standstill at Cornstalk. If Julia Scot was getting some on the side… she could have at least left a name…BUT also Ailstock was a name that seemed to have been a name of one of cornstalk’s sons that was not even Julia’s A DNA test is looking pretty tempting now… My family is from Virginia/WV and I’m thinking that Aylestock/Ailstock sounds pretty english…but looking back at Cornstalk it seems to just have been… made up? I thought I had it all figured out…
May 8, 2012 at 10:42 am
Dear Claire,
As for your comment, “looking back at Cornstalk it seems to just have been… made up?” I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I do assure you that the Surname of “Cornstalk” families are very much alive and well today; still having children.
Julia Scot of Scottish descent, was his 3rd wife. She is believed to have had 5 children with him. Two remained Cornstalk’s, 3 took the Surname of Ailstock. As for any indiscretions on her part, that’s only for her to know.
Many of his children, from all three wives took on Christian Names as Blue Sky did; changing her name to Mary. Aracoma Snow CORNSTALK, among others daughter Sarah, Susannah, Esther and Elizabeth. It happened for whatever reason.
Please don’t be offended by my comment here, I’m just not sure where it is that you’re assuming is made up here?
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Sheila
I really want to believe that my ancestor Absalom Ailstock was Shawnee, Julia was believed captured, and given to Cornstalk as a gift.. I can find no record of her capture. Also there is no record of the boys release from captivity, that I can find. Details, I need some details.. Also you mentioned that Michael, Absalom and Abraham took the name Adkins for a while, is there more of that story you can share? My GreatGreatGrandmother Annie Elizabeth Ailstock said she was Shawnee through Cornstalk, and Absalom has reportedly said it himself.. We either believe our ancestors Story or DNA, which I believe is inconclusive..
Sincerely
John Charles Cheek
May 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm
DNA is only at best a device to be used to connect to some of your DNA relatives- some test out as no linkage, my mothers’ own sister tests out as having no Italian blood line- but my mother does, they both have the same fparents, DNA did confirm that much. but it all matters as to which and what kind of DNA you have inherited from your past 5 generational ancestors. Each person only inherits from the 5th generation from themselves. In otherwords, none of us could be DNA linked to our own 6th great grandparents, period. For me that would be Chief Cornstalk- But, if we could ever find Bluesky- different story.
DNA in itself is Very inconclusive- and should only be used as a guideline.
The Genome Project may be a good final alternative to link DNA.
The Genome Project will tell you the 5 most common traits you have inherited, (i.e.) Irish-Welch-Native-Oriental etc..but mind you- your own sibling can test differently. But would also shed more light and a little more conclusiveness as to certain of your known ancestors.
May 24, 2012 at 8:52 am
I have just found this information on ancestry.com and I want to find out if I am a descendant of Chief Cornstalk. I have a Sarah Bokovar Friend (my 8th Gr. Grandmother) as a daughter of him. She married Israel Friend. Can anyone help me with this?
Thanks in advance for any information.
Leanna Grey
May 24, 2012 at 11:47 am
My GGGGG Grandmother is Sarah Bokovar Who was married to Israel Friend , I can’t finf any other name for Bokovar but Sarah Birth dates And Cornstalks don’t match, So some say no relation But since no family name for Bokovar can be found. my belief that because she was Indian and young Israel made her age older & name change. He was good friends with the Shawnee so it stands to reason he would marry an Indian women, no other marriage is listed for him and no death records listed for Sarah. My family goes through the Sevier line,
June 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
hi, my name is Evelyn, my family and friends call me tynk. Anyway my cousin and I have been researching our ancestry, Chief Cornstalk is my 6th great grandfather. My grandma is a direct descendent of Chief Cornstalk. Her name is Minnie Ailstock. It goes as follows, minnie, daughter of wayman, son of Absalom, son of John, son of Absolom, son of Chief Cornstalk and Julia Scot. Any other information would be great.
June 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Hi Evelyn
My line is Me, son of Annie Cheek, daughter of Bessie Ellis, daughter of Annie Elizabeth Grigsby Ailstock, daughter of Andrew Ailstock, son of Absalom, son of Hokelesqua and Julia Scot. Did your grandma tell you about your Shawnee heritage?
June 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm
oops left out GrGrandma Ellen Ellis who was Annie “Liza” Elizabeth Ailstock Grigsbys daughter.. Liza was listed Mulatto on the 1860 Census, In 1870 she was white..
July 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Hi everyone really quick, anyone tied into the Muncie family, my line goes back to the muncie’s. Lavinia Muncie married William white, and so far I think the Muncie’s were the native line in my family. The Muncie indians and or Delaware? were a tribe under Cornstalks command. Any input will be appreciated.
August 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Hello to all.. My name is Loretta Brooks. My grandmothers name is Vaudna Blair, born in logan, west virginia. She told me that Chief Cornstalk is my great ( times many, lol, ) grandfather, but she passed away before I got this curious itch to find out anything about my heritage. If anyone has any info on the Blair family in west virginia please let me know. Most of my family here in florida has passed away and I am finding it difficult to find info on anyone..I believe her dads name was joe..(she told me her moms name but for the life of me I cant remember it. Its on the tip of my tongue, just cant seem to spit it out ;) ) Thanks for taking the time to read this………
August 24, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Dear Loretta,
I’ve seen her tree. Vaudna Blair Brooks 1 Feb 1922 27 Aug 2004 Clermont, Lake, Florida wife of Callis William “Bill” Brooks (1922 – 1987). D/O Lindsay Blair (1889 – 1941) & Narie Alice Caldwell (1889-?) Lindsay was the son of
Joseph Smith Blair (Birth 18 Nov 1864 in Logan, Logan, West Virginia Death 10 Jan 1942 in Harts, Logan, West Virginia (found dead at the bottom of a well) & 1st wife Lucinda Lucas Birth 1860 in Logan, West Virginia Death abt 1889. Joseph Smith Blair s/o Anderson (1829-1902) & Louisa McCoy. But I honestly can’t find a common link, between the two families. I can’t find a common name between your tree & mine. I thought I hit one when I found a Sarah Lucas, but not the same as on my tree. I found some Branham’s on your tree as well, but nope. You may have one, but I can’t find it. Someone else may know more.
Good luck,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
PS: You’re very lucky to have so many old family pix up your tree. That’s rare to see so many up that far. Good luck!
As always,
Sheila
September 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm
My family are descendants of Hokolesqua Cornstalk as well. Through his son, Black Wolf Cornstalk. I am unable to see the images on this page. Is there a way for me to gain access the them?
September 28, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Did you try to right click on the image and open it in a new screen? I just have the artwork/picture that is available almost everywhere & I think his monument. Try Googling it then clicking on images. You should get them that way. I just reinstalled the photo. I’m not sure what happened to the link, but it must have stopped working. I think that fixed it. Let me know if you have any trouble seeing it now.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
December 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm
What people are getting confused on Is there are two Mary Adkins, both married to my relative Parker V Adkins, Mary Bluesky Adkins official Shawnee marrage and second wife to Parker is Mary Adkins(Frye) adopted mother of Charity Adkins (Cornstalk) daughter of his first wife. So Bluesky had Charity and Littlebury but all the rest of the children came from the second wife also named Mary. that is also how there is a connection to the kings family In England for some people as well as Chief Cornstalk. http://www.adkinshorton.net/gen/getperson.php?personID=I5395&tree=ah
also check this out as well it show a bit of what I explained above
http://www.geni.com/people/Parker-V-Adkins/6000000000114470485
Charity Adkins(Cornstalk) is my 6th great grandmother Bluesky would be my 7th if anyone would like to talk please email me at chrismcchristian@gmail.com
December 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm
A lot is confusing about the Adkins line I know more about my Native american roots than the supposed royal roots but the family line of Adkins does show relation to even up to King Henry the 3rd Longshank and many more. mistakes could be mad there as well but can say for sure I only really investigated my part of the family line that goes to the Shawnee’s
but here is a family tree to investigated as well
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001018763186#6000000001018763186
December 4, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Also chief Cornstalk had many wives, so there were many many many children so there are many people that would tie back to the Shawnee
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/k/Annis-J-Baker/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0497.html
December 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm
here is a Pedigree as well that links to royal family as well as Shawnee
http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000001018763186#6000000001018763186
click continue on Lydia Owens then Elizabeth Jennings(Parker) then Edward Stanley Earl of derby then Alice Mantagu then baron Thomas to get to the kings. For Cornstalk’s follow Cornstalk in the beginning of the pedigree. My link came to the Chief came from family Info and all the names leading up to him . these are just other things I found as well.
December 5, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I have just learned my great great grandfather was Absalom Alistock and was wondering if I fit anywhere into the Cornstalk heritage
December 19, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Sheila, Hi I descend from Chief Cornstalk , down the line , from Littleberry to Owen to Samuel To Arma,
How do I go about applying for a card ? Please Please email me with any info.Thank you !!
January 10, 2013 at 11:06 pm
On my tree it stands today & I’m not saying that I’m right, just this is for me, where I’m leaving mine. Please feel free to continue to investigate all other avenues.
Parker Vincent Adkins (1720-1792) married Mary aka Polly Jones. She was believed to be a Frye by members for the Frye family. I’m not saying that they’re wrong, I’m just saying what I have on MY tree. Mary Jones Together they had Keziah Mallory Adkins; Millington Adkins, Isom Adkins; Hezekiah Adkins; Susanna Adkins; Champion Adkins; Elijah Adkins; and Sherrod B Adkins. She passes and he later marries Blue Sky Cornstalk and called her Mary. Together they had two kids, Little Berry Adkins & Charity Adkins. Charity marries Randle Adkins (not uncommon) and when he passes, she then marries Bluford Southerds/Sowards.
On my tree, I have 4 Mary Fry(e)’s. Mary Fry d/o George & Margaret Scott was the wife of Millington aka Militan Adkins.
As always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 5, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I am from Fayette County, WV. There is a family cemetery at Mount Olive, where many of my ancestors are buried. My family settled on Mount Olive in the 1840s. Away from the other graves is a beautiful, white tombstone. It belongs to Allen Allstock. Also referred to as Ailstock. He was born in 1839 and died in 1883. The stone reads,”Man that is born of woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower and is cut down. He fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not”. My great grandfather said that Allen was a freed slave and the only black man buried in the cemetery. We always decorated his grave, along with decorating our own families’. But I always wondered about Allen. As I grew older, i asked my professors about it. They said he must have had some great importance to have such a nice tombstone. I looked through census records and all I found was that he lived in Nicholas in 1860. Between 1870 and 1880, he moved to Mount Olive. He was a farmer and never married. I never found anything else. That was ten years ago. I always wondered about him. Why was he there?
February 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm
It cut me off before I could finish. I started looking today again…to pay a tribute for Black History Month. And I started to see these references to Cornstock… And that Ailstocks, Alestocks and Allstocks were descendants and often referred to as freed slaves or mulatto. Could Allen be a descendant? Email me kacihelene@aol.com
February 19, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Hello,
I am related to a Jeremiah Adkins b. 1817 in Kentucky. Census records state that both of his parents were born in Kentucky as well. I cannot find any further information on his parents. Do you have information on him?
Thank you!
February 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm
There is also a possibility that Jeremiah was born in Tennessee.
February 20, 2013 at 8:54 am
Thank you Erin for your comments. I didn’t have anything on my end. I only have one on my tree & he married Valentine Bolin. As you can see below its not a close relationship. But this Jeremiah is very well documented. Maybe someone else has more than I .
Jeremiah Adkins
Relationship to you: 2nd great grandfather of husband of sister-in-law of sister-in-law of 2nd cousin 3x removed of husband
Birth 1788 in South Carolina, United States
Death 25 Aug 1854 in Whitley, Kentucky, United States
Thanks for your comment & Welcome to the Family,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
February 20, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Thank you for your response. I will continue the search. :)
February 21, 2013 at 7:13 pm
I see that you have researched Straight Tail Meaurroway and Cornstalk. I am a descendant of Straight tail’s and am wondering were these 2 related in any way, either by blood or marriage? I’m just starting my search on my Shawnee roots and have heard the name Cornstalk come up a lot. Thanks
March 12, 2013 at 10:24 am
Anyone ever employed mitochondrial DNA testing (maternal lines using female descendants)? This could be fruitful in clearing up lots of the issues I’ve read about here
March 26, 2013 at 7:13 pm
well I do know only one true fact that charity adkins is my 4th great grandmother on my fathers side after that I am lost because I do not know if she was the real daughter of cornstalk but I do know she was the daughter of bluesky. but I look nothing like a indian but my grand mother dose and so dose hers mybe I am taking after my my mothers side. Daniel Adkins west va born my father was howard adkins his father was glen his father was willam wirt adkins his father was alfred and his father was parker I think he married charity or bluesky but I really do not know I only trace the men side thus far can you help adkinsdanielw@yahoo.com
April 20, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I don’t see where anyone ever answered Monica Stierman. I have also found a possible directly lineage through the Christian surname and was wondering if anyone could confirm.
Chief Cornstalk
Elinipsico Cornstalk
Thomas Bailey “Kumskaka” Christian (1770 – 1853 – raised by Thomas Mastin/Masten after his father and grandfather were murdered)
George Wynepuechiska Dos Christian (1836 – 1910)
James Christian (1867 – ?)
Rhoda Christian (1903 – 1990 – mother is Mary Yost b 1865)
Helen Smith (1935 – 2003)
Jacqueline Short (1956)
Shannon Short (me – 1977)
Up through Rhoda (my great grandmother) I know personally. I found her father James through ancestry.com using census records. The 1900 – 1930 census all show James living in Maiden Spring, Tazewell, VA which is where George also lived. The 1880 census shows George had a son named James born in 1867. Nancy (I assume Bandy) is listed as George’s wife but I don’t think she is James’ mother since other sources show they were married in 1871. Prior to that he was married to Sarah Wingo who is more likely James’ mother. I have been unable to locate an 1870 census for either George or James, and the missing 1890 census also leaves a big gap. The lineage from George to Chief Cornstalk I found on http://www.werelate.org.
Any information that can be provided to either prove or disprove that my great great grandfather James Christian is the great great grandson of Chief Cornstalk would be greatly appreciated.
Shannon
singe01@juno.com
April 23, 2013 at 10:53 am
All of the 1890 censuses burned and a special census was done to replace them in 1892- check there for more info.
April 23, 2013 at 1:32 pm
I knew the 1890 census was lost but wasn’t aware of the special 1892 census. Where can I find that info? It doesn’t seem to be listed in ancestry.com.
Also, I found another piece of evidence to help prove the link. The marriage record of James Christian to Mary Yost in 1889 lists George and Nancy as James’ parents. Not conclusive, but another piece of the puzzle, and so far I have found nothing to disprove.
April 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm
I have been studying the work of many people who have tried to establish a reliable parental link between Ellinipsico and Thomas Bailey Christian. As yet, there is none.
The historical figure Kumshaka (Kumskaka) was not the son of Elinipsico.
Thomas Christain was an orphan but we do not know whose orphan.
See these references here:
I quote them from my work on GENi.com
“When Chief Cornstalk and his son, Elinipsico, were murdered (1777), Thomas Mastin, and his wife Agnes, are said to have taken in the orphans Kumshaka (renamed Thomas Bailey Christian), Low Hawk (renamed Hezekiah N. Whitt), Outhowwa Shokka Cornstalk, and Mountain Raven (renamed Sarah Mastin). Kumskaka (aka Kumshaka) was supposedly later placed with the Christian Family who changed Kumskaka’s name to Thomas Christian.” The source of the middle name “Bailey” is unknown.
(as the preceding is under factual dispute(s). GENi curators are currently at work to resolve the truth of this account and will continue to update this profile as soon as hopefully solid determinations have been made) (March-April 2013)
Essential to the controversy: • His parents:… Are they (white) Nathanial Christian & (Ewing)? … or (predominantly Shawnee) Elinipsico and Standing Deer Bailey… or (Shawnee/Cherokee/white) that is, is Thomas Bailey Christian the historical “Kumshaka”, brother of Tecumseh? Then there is the possibility the the answer may be: unknown/none of these scenarios.
Many people, living today (2013) have weighed in on this topic. Chief Don Greene, Noel Schutz, Red Hawk, and descendants. DNA tests suggest a Isle of Wight/ European background for Thomas Bailey Christian. Many of the Shawnee/Cherokee possible ancestors have “white” blood lines in them too… This complicates hard and fast designation of Christian being either Native American or immigrant European.
There is no birth record for Thomas Bailey Christian.
consider this reference:
From: Shawnee Heritage I Written by Don Greene and Noel Schutz 2008 ISBN 978-1-4357-1573-8 2nd Edition page 148
“ Kumshaka aka Kumshaka Puckinshinwa-Kunshauskau- Cat Flying In Air – ¾ Kishpoko-Pekowi-Creek-Metis born 1770 OH-died before 1824 (Canada) 5th son of Puckenshiwa (born 1735) & Metheotashe Opessa (born 1740) (timeline) • a Kishpoko warrior raiding the Ohio River Valley (1788-1792) • Blue Jacket War (1787-1794) • raiding Ohio. Kentucky, Virginia, Tennesees: (1795-1810) • Brownstown (1812) • Mongaugon (1812) • Amherstburg (1812) • Frenchtown (1813) • Ft Meigs (1813) • 2nd Anherstburg (1813) • Thames (1813) with Tecumseh (his brother) Moved to Canada in 1815; died before band returned to Ohio (1825) Husband (c. 1790) of Kishpoko Woman (born 1774); children unknown”
(ed. Note: abbreviations in text expanded for clarity) parentheses are my own = MvB (the word “Metis” is of French origin meaning mixed blood… In other words: Kumshaka was ( according to Greene and Schutz) 1/2 Shawnee, 1/4 Creek, and 1/4 mixed)
Also see: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Cthrnvl/RoughNotes
The Thomas Mastin letters state that the orphans came to be
with him after the Cornstalk murders (Thomas’ father and grandfather)
Holston Past Finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Geneological Society.
See http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:108722
It says: Sources 1.↑ First Census of the United States 1790 – Virginia p.100 2.↑ A History of Halifax County Virginia, Wirt Johnson Carrington. p24 – Name given as Thomas Masten the Magistrate 3.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol31, #4, p57 – Thomas Mustain, 400 acs Lunenburg Co. on both sides of Boplar Br, a Mill Cr,. adj Hugh Henry; 5 Feb 1753, p 42. 40 Shill. 4.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol 23, #1, 9 – Thomas and sons Avery and Jesse Mustain recorded as swearing Oath of Allegiance. 5.↑ Holston past finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Genealogical Society – Archive repository for Mastin letters. Statements by Thomas Mastin/Mustain pertaining to the orphans he took in, left by the Cornstalks who were killed at the fort in 1777. “Thomas Mastin’s papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee. (It states he raised 4 orphans) There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Following the murder of Chief Cornstalk October 9, 1777, at Fort Randolph, Point Pleasant, VA. now WV. A white-man friend, Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife, Agnes adopted 4 of his children. Cornstalk lived on the Saludy River. 6.↑ Holston Territory Genealogical Society – 1991Annual – Thomas MASTIN took our Thomas CHRISTIAN, Sr. under his wing when our Thomas was orphaned.”
for a cursory look at Shawnee culture see:
http://www.tolatsga.org/shaw.html
for the Hezekiah Whitt affadavit see:
In sum: It all does not add up. It doesn’t seem that the real Kumshaka was the son of Elinipsico (Crornstalk) and Standing Deer Bailey but the son of Puckenshinwa. There is an argument for Thomas Bailey Christian being the son of Elinipsico and a Chalakatha Woman. This probability will be expanded upon elsewhere in this profile (under supporting documents) This theory is based on the work of Don Greene and Noel Shutz (two books of Shawnee genealogy published in the last decade)
It is unknown as to what other names Thomas Christian called himself. I know of no self-reference as “Kumshaka” (!)
last updated by Mike van Beuren (MvB) 4/11/2013
Note: To follow research on Ellinipsico (Elinipsico) Cornstalk, go to: http://www.geni.com/people/Elinipsico-Cornstalk/6000000019967934922?through=6000000020249628884
April 23, 2013 at 5:03 pm
The 1892 censuses can be found at the state Capital Archives in the state you are looking- you can request copies from them – for a fee. Make sure to be as specific as possible, they will send the full sheet census where they are found. Usually the fee is 10.00 plus .50 for the copy and postage, but all states differ.
May 19, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Sheila…In keeping with our attempt to continue to research my wife’s ancestry, we ran across your post 147 above. As you may have observed, I have posted several times on this site requesting what information or documentation that may exist to reflect that Keziah was the daughter of Parker V. and Mary ____. Have you found anything that might shed some light on this or explain why you carry the Keziah who married a Fry as being an Adkins? Thanks…Tim and Sandy
May 21, 2013 at 10:39 am
Dear Tim & Sandy,
I’ve changed my response many times. As you may know this Adkins’ line completely splits down the middle; each half denying or forgetting the other exists. Please see the Shawnee lines, many of their descendants are still living on the reservation. Merging the two has not been easy.
When I talked to Ronnie on the phone last year, he said that he did not see how they could have ever came into contact with one another. Hokoleskwa aka Cornstalk is buried in West Virgina. The two lines will have to duke this one out for themselves.
Please do take a few minutes and see the “Jones” family research as well as the Fry(e). I know its complicated and really don’t want to open this up again to a full on debate between the two. If you chose to do so, please read his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornstalk and all books that you can get your hands on. They will in fact marry the two families.
I have come to love and respect both sides and don’t want to get in the middle of this again.
I’m sorry that I can’t be more help.
As Always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 21, 2013 at 11:52 am
Sheila..
I think you are missing our question. We are resigned to the fact that there is significant debate as to who Parker’s wife may have been by whom Keziah was born. However, our question is what documentation or support there might be for Parker being the father of Keziiah who married George Fry, On the other point, I tend to side with Ronnie’s analysis. We have his book and also the book prepared by Lucian? Fry. Thanks…Tim and Sany
May 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Our we talking about Ronnie Adkins book on he Wayne county Adkins. I Working on this line now and would love a copy of his book.
Sent from my iPhone
May 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Dear Tim,
I’m glad you have a copy of Ronnie’s book. You’re very fortunate. I was unable to obtain a personal copy. It would be nice if more copies were made available. Phone conversations just don’t cover everything.
Now, I did fully understand the question and was hoping that you would understand my position. I don’t have anything in my possession to prove or disprove it. Nor am I’m looking to do either at this point. I have her on my Tree as Parker’s daughter, due to “my” research/findings and there she will stay. I’m not being pigheaded, just not seen anything to change my mind. Until then she stays put.
I’ve seen so many people’s research (findings) and so many people have it different ways; most I suspect, have taken it at face value – no work done. Sometimes, I just shake my head. I never contradict their research. Its a lot of work, none one can know every detail. From the earliest records I’ve seen, she’s there. Nothing to contradict it. You’ll have to do the legwork work on this one. I cannot help you with any physical documents.
With my sincerest apologies,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 21, 2013 at 6:27 pm
So
May 21, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Oops. I have done a ton of independent “legwork” on this matter. We have spoken and exchanged emails with Ronnie and others about this family. Some of which has been copied and pasted onto these pages. We have spoke with others as well. We have and continue to research this issue in a myriad of ways. Part of that is seeking the opinions of others (whether or not those opinions may differ from ours), their respective ideas, thoughts etc. and the support/basis for the same.
Unlike most so called researchers/self-proclaimed experts, or those attempting to drive a conclusion, unless we can document ours or the conclusion of others with primary sources or credible secondary sources, we simply don’t accept something as being accurate or otherwise correct.
In your comments above, you refer to “my research”, “the earliest records I have seen”. I am simply asking you what that research consisted of and what those “records” might be, especially since you comment that there are no physical documents that support your conclusion, With all due respect, isn’t it fair to say that you are in fact relying on the conclusions of others, rather than independent research verifying/supporting what you think is the case.
Nothing in my comments should be construed to imply that I disagree with your conclusions. I am only asking that you share the basis of the same with me and others who might have an interest in this issue to allow us the opportunity to analyze that information and draw our own conclusions.
It is unfortunate that you have taken my comments, inquiries to be adversarial, because that is clearly not the intent.
May 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Reading the recent posts has got me thinking about my own supposed connection to Cornstalk. What primary evidence exists that shows the children or even wives of Cornstalk? Absalom Ailstock is listed as a son but he appears in the will of Michael Ailstock as his son. Now one seems to have any real evidence beyond unsubstantiated stories.
May 23, 2013 at 12:02 am
Indians in the Tree?
Trying to pull together the different stories of Chief Cornstalk being the father of Absalom and Michael Ailstock.. This is information obtained from old newsgroup posts and research of various family geneologists. My family line goes through Annie Elizabeth Ailstock and Phoebe Vess.
This from the Davis family page.. One point of debate that continues to arise among Ailstock researchers concerns the racial background of the Ailstock line. Michael Ailstock is the most commonly agreed upon progenitor of the Rockbridge County, Virginia Ailstock families—in a number of documented records, he and his descendants are identified as “mulatto” and described as “free negro”. Many believe that the descendants of Michael Ailstock are mistakenly identified and are actually Indian in heritage. Ilene Andrus, descendant of Bertha Grigsby Founds, daughter of Charles and Annie Ailstock Grigsby, shares that Annie herself claimed to be related to Chief Cornstalk, noted Shawnee Indian chief of the 1700’s.
The story as far as I can tell
Rebecca was a Scots Irish woman kidnapped by a Chief Hintoo Intu and then given to Chief Hokelesqua CornStalk of the Shawnee. She was said to be nearly 6 feet tall and beautiful. kidnapped at about 15 and married to Cornstalk at 16. She had sons with Cornstalk, Sunfish, 1742, Elijah 1744, Absalom 1748, Abraham 1750, and Michael 1752. According to Don Green she stayed with the tribe after her 3 younger sons returned to the whites. According to Kitty Sachs and the stories related to her. Rebecca and her 3 youngest children, Michael, Abraham and Absalom were repatriated by the army and taken in by the Michael Ailstock family. she lived with Michael Ailstock, as his wife.
Michael Ailstocks will is often used to debunk the whole story.. but as Kitty Sachs says it may actually provide proof of the story.. All of Michael Srs children from his first marriage are given substantial property in his will. Michael Jr. and Absalom are given two cents each. As you would treat halfbreed stepchildren!
Some Ailstock researchers have taken DNA tests and say that there is no Indian DNA in the paternal or fraternal lines.. DNA is not 100% accurate though.. Looking at old pictures, especially Nancy Jane Ailstock from the 1850’s those Ailstocks appear to be Indian to me.. My grandmother Bessie Jane Ellis, looked a lot like Nancy Jane Ailstock.. Nothing proved, just trying to get as many of the old stories out there as I can.
John C Cheek
May 23, 2013 at 1:02 am
I do not understand this “DNA is not 100% accurate” thing.
There are three types of DNA testing: Autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-Chromosome (y-DNA) testing. The three types reveal different information and the apparent ‘accuracy’ of each testing types differs with one another.
atDNA testing can be taken by anyone and tests all ancestry. The results from this type of test may tell you that you are 60% Northern European, 20% East Asian, 10% African, and 10% Southern European.
People genetic ancestry differs from their full ancestry however so the results, although accurate, do not always leave a holistic picture. By this I mean that while everyone has 16 great-great-grandparents you may only have genetic markers from some of them. In other words, with the same results as above one may have small amounts of Native American ancestry but it would not show genetic markers in their test results.
I guess this is what people mean when they say that they do not trust results.
mtDNA testing looks at DNA inside the mitochondria and only tests one line: your mothers, mothers, mother, etc.
y-DNA testing looks at the male sex chromosome and only test one line: your fathers, fathers, father, etc. y-DNA Haplogroups often share surnames as they share the same patrilineal ancestor. These tests are incredibly accurate and if two people share a line within something like 20 generations they will have almost identical results.
Due to the migration of the human population out of Africa and into Europe, Middle East, Asia, Australia, and finally over the Bering Straight and into the Americas – African and Native American y-DNA varies more than many other groups.
All Ailstocks that have taken y-DNA tests and made their results public have had the same result – an African haplogroup not a Native American haplogroup. This means that if their family tree is correct back to Absalom Ailstock then his father could not have been Cornstalk or any other Shawnee person. They may have been part Native American but not on their paternal line. They may even be related to Cornstalk but he was not their father, paternal grandfather, or paternal uncle.
It seems to me that a long, long time ago this mulatto family decided to attach itself to a famous person (Chief Cornstalk) because their names rhymed.
Geoff
May 23, 2013 at 1:13 am
I don’t understand what this proves other than he seems to have left more to the daughters than the sons. Maybe the sons already had property? It surely doesn’t prove that the sons were stepsons.
See below:
The Last Will & Testament of
Michael Ailstock
In the name of God Amen. I Michael Ailstolk of the county of Louisa and parish of Trinity being sick and weak but of sound mind and memory calling to mind the uncertainty of this life, think proper to make this my last will and Testament as followeth (viz) I give my body to earth, to be enclosed at the discretion of my executors, hereafter mentioned my soul I give to God, in hopes of a happy resurrection &c and as to such worldly goods as it pleased hath God to blefs me with, I give in manner as followeth, Item, I give to my wife Rebecca Ailstolk, the bed and furniture whereon I commonly lodge during her Natural life and at her death I give and bequeath the said bed &c to my grand daughter Rebecca Ailstolk. But in case my wife rebecca should again Marry, after my death, it’s then my will and desire that then the said Bed &c shall go to my grand daughter Rebecca at the time my wife may marry again, Item, I give and bequeath my wearing cloaths to my Son Joseph Ailstolk Item, I give to my sons Michal and Absolom Ailstolk and my Daughter Mary Twopence, each of them, one shilling sterling Money Item I give and bequeath to my Daughter Elisabeth Ailstolk one bed and furniture which she bought and paid for herself. Then- why I mention this is to prevent disputes respecting this bed. Item I give and bequeath all the rest and residual of my estate of every kind to my wife Rebecca Ailstolk during her natural life, and at her death to be equally divided between my Daughters, Sussanna Ailstolk Elisabeth Ailstolk and my grand Daughter Rebecca Ailstolk and lastly it’s my will that my wife Rebecca Ailstolk pay my Just Debts and burial expenses out of that part of my estate I leave her, and I do appoint my wife Rebecca Ailstolk executive to this my last will, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 6th day of September 1791.
his
Teste Wm Smith B. John + Mitchell Michael Ailstolk (seal)
May 23, 2013 at 11:53 am
Michael seniors first wife was Margaret Cosward. About the Ailstock DNA project. There are only four participants. 3 are descendants of Absalom. Two are E1b1a haplotypes and one is I2b1. The other a Hails family member seems not to be related at all… E1b1a is an African haplotype and I2b1 is an eastern European haplotype.. One of the most common haplotypes in Native Americans is R1b1. Which is also a European Haplotype.. The sampling size of the Ailstock DNA project is to small to draw any conclusions about anything..
Y-Chromosome Analysis for Native American Markers
Males inherit a close copy of their Y-chromosome from their fathers. Females do not have a Y-chromosome. So males could also be tested for ÒNative American markersÓ on their Y-chromosome, but the analysis has similar limitations as testing mtDNA. Here again, the test only traces one line of ancestry, and misses most of the subjects’ ancestry because the vast majority of the ancestors are invisible to the test. If a man has 15 Native American great-great-grandparents, but his father’s father’s father’s father was non-Indian, that person will not appear to be Native American under this test. So, almost 94% of that person’s genetic inheritance may be from Native Americans, but under this test he may be identified as “non-Indian”.Å And, like mtDNA analysis using the purely maternal line, using Y-chromosome analysis to determine Native American ancestry ignores a greatly increasing percentage of a person’s ancestry as you go more generations into the past with the analysis.
John
May 23, 2013 at 12:28 pm
John,
You are correct in thinking that Absalom may have been part Native American. In fact, it is quite likely but the chance that Cornstalk was his father seems very unlikely.
The ancestry of Michael Ailstock matches the E1b1a test results and given the will and other documented history it seems most likely that he was the father.
Hopefully more direct male descendants will test and make their results public.
May 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm
To say Michael Ailstock ancestry matches E1b1 may be correct. The statement can also be made that Absalom Ailstocks ancestry matches I2b1. This is what would be expected if Michael senior wasn’t Absaloms father.. Further, Don Greene has Cornstalk decending from Thomas Pasmere Carpenter.. If that is correct then I2b1 would be correct for an engish line of descent…
I don’t think this will ever be resolved completely.. What I would like to see is more of the stories from the family to be brought forward.. The story from Kitty Sachs seems to be the most believable That Rebecca was captured by the Shawnee and they like to think Cornstalk himself fathered her children. Mister Green has many more details in his story and I would love to hear where he came up with them.
John
June 18, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Hi. Does anyone have any information on Charity and Henry Harless? We have been told that Charity was married twice- first to Henry Harless and then Randolph Adkins. We have found several discussions on Ancestry.com and found a grave site marker page with that information. Any help would be truly appreciated. Thanks.
Betty
September 26, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I am completing my mom’s (age 93) family tree and I too am confused about Sarah Bokavar (1711-1755). Could we have Chief’s Cornstalk’s date of birth wrong. As I look over mom’s family tree, (Nelson Family Name)I found family names keep popping up (like Absalom, John, Mary, Elizabeth) in our lineage. Please share where the lineage on Chief Cornstalk was obtain. Thank you. Nancey Nester Boseman
September 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm
My Mother was related to Sarah also
I believe they had Sarah date & changed her given name to Sarah, When she married into The Friend family. To make her more White or civilized. My relationship is on the Sevier side . Please let me know how we can clear this up
Sandy
September 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Please if anyone has information on Sarah Bokavar let me know I can’t find the family name Bokavar on any documents in early America or even now. Sarah was a daughter from Cornstalk , her mother was Cherokee, cayuga or shawnee. She married Israel Friend her daughter marred a Sevier, Waiting o hear.
September 26, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Hi Sandy, We are in a pickle. If we go by the dates, Israel Friend would have been about 2l years older than Sarah, and about 22 years older than Chief Cornstalk. Do you think Sarah could have been Chief Cornstalk’s sister; instead of his daughter? Also, where did the Metcalf acquire the names and dates of their family? Let me know what you think and I will keep researching.
Nancey
September 26, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Sandy, Just wanted to share a site with you that may help us. I can’t research it right now-but here it is: Early Potomac Traders by Corinne Hanna.
September 26, 2013 at 4:43 pm
This is what I know & found out Sarah Bokavar was born in Jamestown VA around 1706 & died 1763 she married Israel Friend born in 1690 making him 16 years difference could even be 20 yrs difference. first child born Jonas Friend 1730 Sarah was 24 (seems old for first child) in those days her last child on record was mary born in 1737 her 31 Life span was maybe 40. I do believe dates are wrong. Israel was a good friend with Shawnees well documented he could of was given Sarah as a gift (Native Wife) changed her name to Sarah to seem more white. I think the law stated after colonization Indians weren’t looked upon as equal. My line goes Sarah son Jacob had a daughter Anna friend who married Valentine Sevier who ggggrandson was James Sevier who was my Grandfather, My mother always said she was Indian born in Missouri family moved to Nebraska. Also Lula Kidd was Indian bloodline also
September 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm
thanks
November 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Hello my name is Noah See. Tracing back my ancestry, I find that I am related to the Stump’s and Catherine Elizabeth See. I find Cornstalk to be a very influential figure in my life and appreciate your information regarding him and your family, also the article “The Death of Peter Cornstalk III” is a very informative read. Thanks,
Noah
December 8, 2013 at 4:54 am
Hi, my name is Julie and I have just started to find my ancestory, I have found I may be related to Chief Cornstalk through my great grand father. His mother was an Avey which I think I traced back to John Avey if I did it correctly. who was a son of John Wolf b 1750 father Chief Cornstalk, Mother Ounacona Moytoy any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! :)
March 4, 2014 at 3:22 am
New to this but have some information My father is Hyland Douglas Bailey his mother is Rawsie Blackey Marie Christian born at Indian Creek Va. Her faher was John Hyland Christian, his father George Wynepuechiska Dos Christian, his father Thomas Bailey Kumskaka Christian. I am confused and by going by census records want to know if my family is related to Chief Cornstalk’s line? Any help would be appreciated have been told we are Cherokee but never heard the Shawnee part. Thank you for any information you have and can share. Katie Bailey
March 4, 2014 at 7:52 am
There is no positive confirmation of Thomas Bailey Christian’s parentage anywhere. I have even gone to Shawnee sources who remind us that there are no source records on this. It even seems that the given names Wynepuechiska and Kumskaka were not of record for these two people in their early lives. I am beginning to think the were added my arm-chair genealogists “dressing up” the person’s heritage.
This is not to say that there is definitely no Shawnee (&/or Cherokee) blood in this line…. It’s just that no one is sure about much of anything when assigning parents.
By the way: The real Kumskaka died in Canada in his twenties.
“When Chief Cornstalk and his son, Elinipsico, were murdered (1777), Thomas Mastin, and his wife Agnes, are said to have taken in the orphans Kumshaka (renamed Thomas Bailey Christian), Low Hawk (renamed Hezekiah N. Whitt), Outhowwa Shokka Cornstalk, and Mountain Raven (renamed Sarah Mastin). Kumskaka (aka Kumshaka) was supposedly later placed with the Christian Family who changed Kumskaka’s name to Thomas Christian.” The source of the middle name “Bailey” is unknown.
(as the preceding is under factual dispute(s). GENi curators are currently at work to resolve the truth of this account and will continue to update this profile as soon as hopefully solid determinations have been made) (March-April 2013)
Essential to the controversy: • His parents:… Are they (white) Nathanial Christian & (Ewing)? … or (predominantly Shawnee) Elinipsico and Standing Deer Bailey… or (Shawnee/Cherokee/white) that is, is Thomas Bailey Christian the historical “Kumshaka”, brother of Tecumseh? Then there is the possibility the the answer may be: unknown/none of these scenarios.
Many people, living today (2013) have weighed in on this topic. Chief Don Greene, Noel Schutz, Red Hawk, and descendants. DNA tests suggest a Isle of Wight/ European background for Thomas Bailey Christian. Many of the Shawnee/Cherokee possible ancestors have “white” blood lines in them too… This complicates hard and fast designation of Christian being either Native American or immigrant European.
There is no birth record for Thomas Bailey Christian.
consider this reference:
From: Shawnee Heritage I Written by Don Greene and Noel Schutz 2008 ISBN 978-1-4357-1573-8 2nd Edition page 148
“ Kumshaka aka Kumshaka Puckinshinwa-Kunshauskau- Cat Flying In Air – ¾ Kishpoko-Pekowi-Creek-Metis born 1770 OH-died before 1824 (Canada) 5th son of Puckenshiwa (born 1735) & Metheotashe Opessa (born 1740) (timeline) • a Kishpoko warrior raiding the Ohio River Valley (1788-1792) • Blue Jacket War (1787-1794) • raiding Ohio. Kentucky, Virginia, Tennesees: (1795-1810) • Brownstown (1812) • Mongaugon (1812) • Amherstburg (1812) • Frenchtown (1813) • Ft Meigs (1813) • 2nd Anherstburg (1813) • Thames (1813) with Tecumseh (his brother) Moved to Canada in 1815; died before band returned to Ohio (1825) Husband (c. 1790) of Kishpoko Woman (born 1774); children unknown”
(ed. Note: abbreviations in text expanded for clarity) parentheses are my own = MvB (the word “Metis” is of French origin meaning mixed blood… In other words: Kumshaka was ( according to Greene and Schutz) 1/2 Shawnee, 1/4 Creek, and 1/4 mixed)
Also see: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Cthrnvl/RoughNotes
The Thomas Mastin letters state that the orphans came to be
with him after the Cornstalk murders (Thomas’ father and grandfather)
Holston Past Finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Geneological Society.
See http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:108722
It says: Sources 1.↑ First Census of the United States 1790 – Virginia p.100 2.↑ A History of Halifax County Virginia, Wirt Johnson Carrington. p24 – Name given as Thomas Masten the Magistrate 3.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol31, #4, p57 – Thomas Mustain, 400 acs Lunenburg Co. on both sides of Boplar Br, a Mill Cr,. adj Hugh Henry; 5 Feb 1753, p 42. 40 Shill. 4.↑ Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Vol 23, #1, 9 – Thomas and sons Avery and Jesse Mustain recorded as swearing Oath of Allegiance. 5.↑ Holston past finder, Issues 36-47 Holston Territory Genealogical Society – Archive repository for Mastin letters. Statements by Thomas Mastin/Mustain pertaining to the orphans he took in, left by the Cornstalks who were killed at the fort in 1777. “Thomas Mastin’s papers for the orphans are found in Tennessee. (It states he raised 4 orphans) There is also one from Hezekiah Whitt in Virginia for the recognition of Thomas Christian as a Cornstalk orphan. Following the murder of Chief Cornstalk October 9, 1777, at Fort Randolph, Point Pleasant, VA. now WV. A white-man friend, Thomas Mastin and his Indian wife, Agnes adopted 4 of his children. Cornstalk lived on the Saludy River. 6.↑ Holston Territory Genealogical Society – 1991Annual – Thomas MASTIN took our Thomas CHRISTIAN, Sr. under his wing when our Thomas was orphaned.”
for a cursory look at Shawnee culture see:
http://www.tolatsga.org/shaw.html
for the Hezekiah Whitt affadavit see:
In sum: It all does not add up. It doesn’t seem that the real Kumshaka was the son of Elinipsico (Crornstalk) and Standing Deer Bailey but the son of Puckenshinwa. There is an argument for Thomas Bailey Christian being the son of Elinipsico and a Chalakatha Woman. This probability will be expanded upon elsewhere in this profile (under supporting documents) This theory is based on the work of Don Greene and Noel Shutz (two books of Shawnee genealogy published in the last decade)
It is unknown as to what other names Thomas Christian called himself. I know of no self-reference as “Kumshaka” (!)
last updated by Mike van Beuren (MvB) 4/11/2013
Note: To follow research on Ellinipsico (Elinipsico) Cornstalk, go to: http://www.geni.com/people/Elinipsico-Cornstalk/6000000019967934922?through=6000000020249628884
March 4, 2014 at 9:18 am
To: Marfesia K Bailey Hemmelgarn
One other thing that may be of help: I have a file written by a tireless researcher (who may not be active now). This man’s name is Carly Lamont.
Please let me know if you would like me to send it to you. He uses many Shawnee name ‘epithets’ for TBC descendants… I say this as these names might match with some of your
given names in your own tree.
regards, MMvB
Mr. Lamont’s cover letter (in the file) highlights the difficulties that arose when another man, Red Wolf, made assertions that were never fleshed out with support material. Red Wolf assertions are now widely seen as implausible as a result.
There are even stories and circumstances involving a Hawaiian man, posing as a Native American, who wouldn’t let go of his assumed identity and then committed suicide… (sad stuff) This fellow claimed to know so much about TBC but, naturally, he seems to have caused a researcher’s nightmare. He got many people’s hopes up for a Native american connection in their families… :(
~ BTW: my work is all consolidated on GENI.com , if you haven’t figured that out already
the reference:
“Note: To follow research on Ellinipsico (Elinipsico) Cornstalk, go to: http://www.geni.com/people/Elinipsico-Cornstalk/6000000019967934922?through=6000000020249628884 ”
can only be accessed if you join… The link is my best understanding of the Shawnee side of the story… It does NOT link to Thomas Bailey Christian as the tree is meant to stand for what a the Shawnee tree would look like without him in it. I can email this to you if you don’t want to join.
Many relationships are left out. Chiefs had so many sexual partners.
I do not say “wives” as many of these relationships would be akin to statutory
rape in our modern era. This was true for white frontiersmen too. They also ‘took’ partners under more than a little dubious circumstances.
The Ohio Valley was tough place in those days.
I have an unproven personal opinion that TBC and sibling adoptees’ identities were kept secret/vague for their own protection when the Shawnee of those days were being driven away and systematically killed by European ancestors. It was the kindness of the Christians who took in these orphans of (perhaps) undetermined parentage.
March 29, 2014 at 8:58 am
It is sometimes hard to figure out whether a book is intended to be factual or fictional, because the writer believes what they want and sometimes they forget where the true historical fact ends and a “flowering” of the truth begins, intending to “toot” their own “horn?”
March 29, 2014 at 9:55 am
Has the direct male line of descent of Thomas Bailey Christian tested their “Y” Paternal DNA? I bet that would help to solve the mystery.
I too, used to wonder if my Father ( I did the “Y” haplogroup prediction, so far, and only have about 8 exact HVR1 & HVR2 matches) didn’t have Native American connections, and now seeing my Mother’s Family also has Virginia/ West Virginia and North Carolina ancestry, some after Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania migrations, with her Fry and Turner lines, it creates a BIGGER mystery trying to find a connection. Mother’s mtDNA shows the same haplogroup as Frank and Jesse James’ Mother.
April 15, 2014 at 6:06 pm
This is for Betty Russell # 176 above. Hello, my son is the 4th great grandson of Charity and Randolph Adkins. We have heard tale of this man,Henry Harless. Story goes that she had lived with him after the death of Randolph. We understand it to be in the capacity of taking care of him and his home (Caretaker). She never married him. A few years later Charity then died. Randolph and Charity are buried at the mouth of Racoon Creek, Branchland, WV. My son & I searched the Creek in Fall of 2012- there were no obvious signs of any gravesites to be found, however in fairness we are talking about burials that took place in the 1830’s. Just a couple of miles away is buried her 1/2 brother, Hezikiah Adkins of Bowen Creek, WV ( Rev. War Hero and Celebrated Baptist Preacher. Five miles further down the road is buried her full brother, Littleberry Adkins.
April 21, 2014 at 4:51 pm
Thank you for your reply and your help. Your information reaffirms that Henry Harless and Charity did know each other at some capacity. We will continue to research and hopefully discover more about my husband’s genealogy. If you find out anything more, please don’t hesitate to share your information. We truly appreciate all of your help. Thanks again.
April 24, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Betty, I called my relatives in WV to ask about this Harless, it turns out that there is a place called Harless Forks in WV this was the area settled by the Harless ancestors and is said to be where Henry lived. I’m sorry its not much, but does provide another avenue to pursue.
September 7, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Sheila, et al – my great great grandfather was named Oseola Adkins. This is a link to a copyrighted photo of him that was taken on the Hazel River in Culpeper Virginia around 1901.
I have been to the site of the photo shoot in Culpeper and have extensive other research and artifacts on him.
Many members of my family received copies of this photo directly from Oseola in his later years. At least two of those family elders are still living. According to his marriage certificate, Oseola was born to Britton Adkins and Martha Ann Reed in Sussex County, VA in 1850. My grandmother was raised by Oseola and Oseola’s wife (my grandmother’s grandparents); she maintained that Oseola either was a chief or was descended from a line of tribal chiefs. Given the prominence of the Adkins name, we had theorized that perhaps Oseola’s father was a Chickahominy (of which there were many in nearby Charles City County VA) and that perhaps his mother was a Cheroenhaka (apparently the Reed surname was common among the Cheroenhaka). When I stumbled on your site with the information about Parker Adkins taking a bride from the Shawnee… and the link to the Reed family name, it piqued my interest. I believe that I have found some line of the Parker Adkins family that eventually made their way to Sussex… and further members of that branch who settled in Charles City County. But I was wondering whether you or the others on this site have any record / recollection of Oseola Adkins or his parents.
Thanks,
Art
September 12, 2014 at 3:14 pm
To whom it may concern ….
My name is.Doris joella Meredith Damron
My mother was Lura Nelson and her father was Fred Nelson his mother was glenna furgerson and she was the great granddaughter of chief cornstalk…they are the Nelson family and his wife was Marietta white Nelson….and maryetta Nelson has for children ….Laura.leelin.pearl.glenna.and my mother Laura had ten kids aunt glenna had three kids pearl had four kids and leelin had three kids.and there are over 200 grand kids and great great kids..
September 12, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Hi Doris (#195) I don’t know if I can help, but I did the Nelson Lineage for my mom (Age 94) in order for her to join the Daughters of the American Revolution. You can find her family tree with Ancestry under Public Trees,
called: irene kisamore family tree. Her mother was Martha Susan Nelson Kisamore and her grandfather was Benjamin Franklin Nelson. BFJ’s mother was Rebecca Lawrence (married to Allen H. Nelson), Rebecca’s mother was
Elizabeth Skidmore (married to Jacob Friend – Patriot) and Jacob’s Father was Israel F. Friend, who married Sarah Bokavar. This is where there is a question. Many say that Sarah Bokavar was the daughter of Chief Cornstalk and an Shawnee Indian, but no proof of that lineage has been proven. Please feel free to look at our family tree – there is an additional one for the Nelsons. If I can help-email me at nanceyboseman@yahoo.com. Good luck.
September 12, 2014 at 8:27 pm
I related to the skid mores and Sarah bokvar always told she was Cherokee
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September 12, 2014 at 9:15 pm
If you want to join the DAR, I will send you the documentation and it will save you a lot of work. Check out our family tree and see if it helps.,
November 6, 2014 at 9:35 am
I am having a terrible time finding the answer to Cornstalk (which one) married the See girl (which one)? There is everything on Ancestry.com and I would like to have the right one in my family tree. Serious answers only.
November 6, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Hello!
Am am a bit new to genealogy. I have a tree that I built on Geni.com & have entered in the information that I had for my family. I connected that tree with a 2nd cousin of my fathers. I find this all very exciting. Through viewing my tree it shows that I am related to Chief Cornstalk through his daughter, Mary “Blue Sky” Cornstalk Adkins. It may sound weird, but I has always felt an affinity with Native American culture & I always secretly wished I had that blood in me. Needless to say I was totally surprised to read this on my tree! I was gobsmacked, actually!
I want to find out how to really verify that this relation is accurate. I’m not well versed in what to do. Any help that can be given would be so greatly appreciated. My line:
Pamela Simone McCoin (me)
Joseph Anthony Simone (my dad)
Zelma Mills Simone Mraz (his mom)
Moss Mills (her dad)
Nancy (Lizzy) Miller Mills (his mom)
Mary (Polly) Eplin Miller (her mom)
Jessica Jane Adkins Eplin (her mom)
Charity Adkins (her mom)
Mary “Blue Sky” Cornstalk Admins (her mom)
Chief Hokoleskwa Cornstalk (her Dad)
Thanks!
Pam
February 15, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Does anyone have any information of someone with the last name Constable marrying a Cornstalk? Steve Constable elkhunter1947@gmail.com
March 21, 2015 at 4:41 pm
The name Bokavar never appears in any documentation. It was used in a fictional account publication by Corinne Lynn Hanna. Bokavar, Tales from the Story Fires is a fabricated story using Israel Friends life to tell a story. A woman named Sarah may have been married to Israel, and she may have been native American, but her surname was certainly not Bokavar or Bachoffen ( as one individual suggested and with todays copy and paste genealogists the incorrect information has spread like a virus). I have DNA test 5 individuals from the line of John V. House and none of them show any Native ( or Asian) DNA of any kind.
March 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm
One interesting thing about the House DNA research is that all House members tested have several matches to Friend family lines. This indicates the it’s possible both Israel Friend and John V. House had married the same woman and had children with her. So perhaps some of the story holds true. I do know that J.V. House purchased lands from Israel so it is evident that had connections to one another ( later generations of House and Friend intermarried as well). Sarah ( last name unknown and never documented) may not have been of native blood lines but she may have had children with both men.
April 8, 2015 at 11:22 pm
I am one of those unlucky enough to be stuck at Israel and Sarah, Israel is my my 5th great grandfather. I am a Friend by birth. I know that somewhere in my twisted up family tree we have Native American heritage I just have no clue where to look as there are no records for Sarah with any other surnames besides Friend and House. I guess at this point I will have to just leave it as a huge question mark where those branches should be.
July 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Hi my name is Rebecca,
I am curious if you could share to me what info you may have . I myself and working on my family tree . I have a Ann “Nancy” Adkins and Lydia Owens and William Vincent Adkins in my tree also found some indication they were Shawnee .
I’d much appreciate any info . Thanks in advance
November 28, 2015 at 2:29 am
My 5 x great grandmother was white wing Nancy cornstalk who married Elijah Atkins. Her mother was the Cherokee connection
Ounaconoa moytoy was her name
November 28, 2015 at 5:12 pm
We are related way way back
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January 6, 2016 at 8:43 am
Hi there! I have been working on my family tree for a couple of years now. It is family lore that I am a direct decendant of Cornstalk and I am desperate to make that connection. I was very happy to see that I have a lot of Medcalf’s on my Dad’s branches which is where Cornstalk is rumored to be also. But, sadly, I still have not been able to connect the dots. Could you offer some advice? You seem to have tons of knowledge; I would luv to take a look at your tree if it is available somewhere. Or, perhaps you could recommend a site that I could use to research ( I use ancestry.com ). I am stuck….
January 6, 2016 at 11:10 am
Hello to all, this message is for Robert # 190 above.
I was recently in Northern Texas where James James is buried and did some research for his surviving line of Dayton, Ohio.
Turns out that the James family started out in Virginia in the early 1700’s.
This James James is a great uncle to the famous James (Jesse) James.
In newspaper articles of St. Joseph, MO. Jesse James wife was said to have gone to Northern Texas to visit family, this was just after Jesse’s death, as she needed to get away from the frenzy in MO.
James James the uncle is buried at the Gooseneck Cemetery, Graham, TX.
I had cleaned the stone and photographed it for his family in Ohio.
The family told me that Jesse’s mothers’ line as well descended from Virginia, back in the day, possibly a distant shirt-tail relation to the James family of the ‘Old World’, we’re talking 1600’s.
February 11, 2016 at 6:39 pm
Hello! My 5 Greats Grandmother was Elizabeth See, I have been researching her background. She was married to Young Peter Cornstalk II. They had Big Nancy, whitewing and Young Peter Cornstalk III. When she returned to her family in 1776, she married Peter Shoemaker. My great Grandmother, Emma Ev Shoemaker Casto is from her lineage,,,can you tell me please, why all the names, Peter? Are Peter Cornstalk II and Peter Shoemaker the same person? Thank you!♡
February 24, 2016 at 1:39 am
Im a descendant of chief Cornstalk through his daughter Sarah Sky Cornstalk who married joseph Adkins. They settled in Virginia I believe. The chief would be my 7th great grandfather. It sounds like the Cornstalk and Adkins families married each other in several instances.
February 24, 2016 at 2:44 am
Brian- I am a direct descendant of Oseola Adkins (born around 1845 in Sussex Virginia). He is the son of Britton Adkins and Martha Reed. Given the time and place of his birth we believe he would have been part of the Nottoway tribe. My grandmother was raised by Oseola and had long believed (based on oral tradition) that he was descended from a line of tribal chiefs. There is a fairly famous picture of him entitled “The Watering Place” that shows him in full headdress with his horse. You may have seen it in Native American museum exhibits. For decades no one has even known who it is. Have you taken any ancestry DNA test? We hope to figure out the connection of our lineage to other Adkins lines.
Here’s a link to a thumbnail of the photo:
April 17, 2016 at 10:37 pm
To whom it may concern, I recently lost my mother which forced me to look for my family as I only have one brother and our mom passed away so I have been researching my dad’s family we are from the Tipsword/Doty family my brother and I would appreciate any help as we only knew our dad’s name he was from Illinois, Indiana all over really he met our mother in Nevada and after my brother was born he left never to be heard from again really all we have is each other and our little families
April 18, 2016 at 7:38 am
You might want to do ftdna.com’s Family Finder DNA test, about $100 or so, and I’d also do the ancestry.com test, at about the same price range. I gained 500 Family connections, my Wife 2,000, well woth it.
April 18, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Morning Bob, my name is Claudette that is how knew where to look when I did the DNA it said I was a match for Esther Cutewah Cornstalk and her daughter Rosannah Sowards it’s all very exciting can you help me find myself thank you for your time
May 7, 2016 at 3:49 pm
After further Internet research and getting in touch with family members
I’ve been informed not to use any of the information in Don Green’s books. My family line is in Shawnee Heritage VII and we know for a fact dates he has listed a incorrect, marriages are incorrect and he has children listed belonging to the wrong parents. Guess it’s a good thing I decided to do some extra investigating on my own. Also he has my 7th great grandmother listed as Sarah “Bokavar” listed as Shawnee when there is no proof, other than a fictional novel. Bokavar was not her surname and purely made up for the purpose of the novel. My line runs from Isreal Friend in case anyone was wondering. Also there is conflicting info on as to who Sarah’s parents would have been as the dates do not match up for her to belong to Cornstalk or the other man that Don Green claims is her father.
I was also informed there are no state or federally recognized bands of Shawnee in the state of Ohio.
May 7, 2016 at 3:55 pm
Everyone on this blog should take a DNA test to see if they are part Native American. The Cornstalk stories are pure fantasy. I was glad to see I have ancestors from the Middle East and Mali mixed in. It was more acceptable in the 1800s to be part Native American so all of these stories were invented out of whole cloth.
May 7, 2016 at 4:51 pm
Dear Deana, Thank you for your post. You are such a blessings. I have tried to complete my moms, turning 96 on 5/27/16, family tree. I too am from the line of Israel Friend and I agree with you that much of the information on Israel and Sarah are not correct because the dates do not match up. I would love share the information you have documented and maybe together we could piece together a strong maybe. If you feel so inclined, please email me @ nanceyboseman@yahoo.com. Thank you. I did do the DAR documentation from our line and mom is a proud member of DAR. I am more than willing to share this information with anyone interested. Happy Mother’s Day. Nancey Nester Boseman
May 8, 2016 at 3:31 pm
I for one did have a DNA test done for my son, Cornstalk’s 6th great grandson.My son is 5% Native blood. And we know that to be Shawnee blood line from his fathers side and Mohawk from my line.I also took a DNA test and I showed 2% Native blood, that being Mohawk of the 5 Nations Deseronto, Canada. This tells us that my son inherited more of his DNA make up from his father than of me.My son descends from Chief Cornstalk through his daughter, Blue Sky.These stories are true based on family oral stories…my son’s DNA backs up those stories.So shut the F up!Theresa CaparcoFor Lorenzo Clark of theCornstalk-Adkins-Watson-ClarkFamily lines of WVAnd the Closs/Claus family lines of Canada. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
May 8, 2016 at 4:56 pm
I didn’t mean to offend you or anyone else. Some of the Cornstalk stories are true but many are not. My uncle swears that we are direct descendants of Cornstalk but we are not. The only way for people to verify their own history is a DNA test.
May 8, 2016 at 8:08 pm
A Cornstalk decendant would be how much Indian? Its at least six generations back… Now assuming Cornstalk was 100% NA which he wasn’t. That’s 100, 50, 25,12.5, 6.25, 3.12… That’s also assuming that DNA is inherited in perfectly devided increments, which it isn’t…. Don’t rely to much on DNA to prove who you are… Also don’t be so disrespectful to your Elders…
May 8, 2016 at 8:29 pm
Perhaps I did not explain myself. My great-grandfather was said to be a direct male y-DNA descendant of Cornstalk but several in the family have tested and the haplogroup is African, not Native American. At least in our family, the Ailstock family, a Cornstalk myth has persisted for multiple generations. My guess this is true for others as well. Family stories, even if old, are not necessarily accurate. This is not disrespectful, it is seeking truth over myth.
May 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm
Hello to all,All I know is that I show only 2% NA. Mohawk from my great grandmother, her father, and his parents were no doubt full blood from the 5 Nations Canada.My son however shows 5% NA which is from his father’s line, out of Chief Cornstalk, this means that the Cornstalk genetics must be powerful ones. We are now trying to get my ex to take a Y-DNA test as well- he being a 5th great grandson.I was Not disrespectful to my elders.I was disrespectful to ignorance.Yes, I do know that family oral histories can be faulty, the bigger picture is usually the smoke of where fire will/could be.Mine and my son’s has now been proven solid.Elder’s? Whose Elder’s ? I am 60 myself.Let’s keep Elder’s out of the conversation, age is but a number.Theresa Caparco and son, Lawrence Clark of NY.
May 9, 2016 at 10:09 am
I am truly confused, I am from the Elizabeth See line. Is there a line? I would like to know from one end to the other so I can know for sure. Very interested because I have some other native American lines. Snow line, Chief Donohoo line. Can prove none of them. One I would like to have for sure.
Elizabeh
May 12, 2016 at 6:21 am
Elizabeth Kernen: There is a well-developed Elizabeth See line on Geni.com . If you are not a member there, I suggest getting a trial membership to see this collaborative World Family Tree. The url for Elizabeth See is https://www.geni.com/people/Elizabeth-See/6000000018129096001
~• Mike vB
May 12, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Of all the posts, I haven’t seen the name Yocum mentioned. Eleanor Zeh was my 5th great grandmother. Came through the Yocums. Mathias and Henry 1 and 2nd. Elizabeth Zeh was captured by Old Chief cornstalk and held until she was marrying age for his son. I’m sure this story has been told many times. “The Muddy Creek Massacre.”Everybody seems to have their own problems so I’ll keep on looking and asking until I find some answers.
May 19, 2016 at 4:53 pm
hi this may be some interest to you all rearguards to chief cornstalks daughter bluesky someone from the Adkins Facebook group page attend she isn’t the mother of charity and littleberry Adkins she said the DNA doesnt fix the MTDNA In my mind the info that we have on bluesky is correct until someone either contact the Shawnee nation or have has any recond on charity the info bluesky is staying put in my tree
May 19, 2016 at 4:59 pm
hi this may be some interest to you all rearguards to chief cornstalks daughter bluesky someone from the Adkins Facebook group page attend she isn’t the mother of charity and littleberry Adkins she said the DNA doesn’t fit the MTDNA In my mind the info that we have on bluesky is correct until someone either contact the Shawnee nation or have has any record on charity the info bluesky is staying put in my tree (sorry about the first entry goofing up)
May 21, 2016 at 9:03 am
This post is in response to sandy.
My son’s line out of blue sky to charity to
Chloe Etta, this family line has pictures, and a journal kept by Chloe Etta, that states her mother’s mother was Blue Sky and her full brother is Littleberry.
Also she had many 1/2 siblings that of the famous, Hezekiah Adkins of Bowen Creek WV.
Theresa Caparco for son,
Lawrence Clark
May 21, 2016 at 1:27 pm
Curious who took the mtDNA test and for what ancestor was it for, and what was the haplogroup for the person, how did you find out it didn’t match which person?
As always, thank-you.
May 24, 2016 at 10:31 pm
No one knows what Cornstalk’s DNA looks like unless you want to rob his grave which would be a horrible thing to do. So how can anyone match it?
I’m really confused by how few people can clearly link themselves back to Cornstalk. He had many descendants… Or were they ALL kidnapped/adopted?
Why don’t we know one single descendant with his yDNA?
One genetic clue we have is that Cornstalk and his sister were very tall. Stands to reason their descendants would also be tall.
May 25, 2016 at 8:47 am
This post is for Catherine Auvil.
Genetics are a fickle thing.
There are many factors that determine ones own DNA.
You may be a descendant of cornstalk and only be 5 ft 9″. This is because there are another set of DNA in play, that of your other parent.
My former father-in-law was 6’4. He was the 4th great grandson of Cornstalk.
He had 4 sons one was 6’6 another was
6′ another is 5’11 and the last 6’2.
My son is 5’9 1/2, that’s due to my immediate Italian influence, I am supposing. My sons two 1/2 brothers are 5’10 most likely due to their mothers Mexican influence.
But all are Cornstalk descendants.
Cornstalk to Blue Sky to Charity Adkins
To Chloe Etta to Lester Clark to Howard (Burr) Clark to Larry Clark to Lawrence Clark, my son.
Have a joyous day.
May 26, 2016 at 9:28 am
I’ve tried to stay out of this conversation about the “Cornstalk” lineage but as you know I’m a huge proponent of DNA testing. I’d DNA test everyone at birth. With that said, you have to consider that no family has “cookie-cutter” descendants. I myself, have 4 “biological” Grandchildren, amid my 9 Grands. Side by side, they bare no common or dominate physical traits or characteristics. If you had watched them grow up, you’d fail to see any similarities. They run the gambit on eye & hair color, height, weight, GPA, etc. Which is true with my own children & my husband & his siblings as well. He’s one of 16 live births & trust me when I say, they’re like snowflakes; no two alike.
Yes, it is true that there is no such thing as a “Native American” gene, but you must have a certain percentage of Asian DNA to be considered ‘Native.”
As Theresa has pointed out, you must consider all the contributors in this scenario & which genes will become the dominate, how much testosterone levels per male child distributed to the number of children born to one mother. The 16th son would have minimal at best. This is why the first born tends to be the strongest of all siblings. Too many factors – including environment play a role in the outcome of any persons overall health & well-being, including their height & weight.
I would further like to ask, that you be respectful to or at least civil to the descendants of the Cornstalk families & their affiliates. As they, like you, offer their Surname history here as well as the rest of us.
Some here have even suggested the Cornstalk history to be a myth, please do your research before highhandedly bandying things like this about. It offends not only the family, it dishonors their lineage.
Thank you for your comments,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
May 26, 2016 at 11:04 am
Are all the Cornstalk storys Myths..There are so many of them… I have the Ailstocks in my direct line with their Cornstalk story.. I also have DNA relatives with a lot of the other stories in their lines… Mary Wiley, was she the daughter of Jennie Wiley and Black Wolf, Cornstalks son.. The Adkins story. I have relatives with that story in their family’s.. Then I have the Skaggs and Whitts who stole their wives from the Shawnee and Cherokee.. The Indians took white woman, the whites took Indian woman… Even if these stories are Myths and I don’t think they all are.. They need to be kept alive.. If your family is from early southern WVA, Eastern Kentucky, and Western NC. You probably have ancestors that were killed by, or killed Native Americans.. You also are probably related to Native Americans also..
May 29, 2016 at 8:11 am
A direct female descendant of Charity Adkins, who was supposedly a daughter of Blue Sky, who was supposedly a daughter of Chief Cornstalk, has recently completed a mtDNA test. The results show that she has no Native American blood. Her ancestors were English/Irish/Scottish like most early settlers of that time. Here are the details, along with the names of the direct descendants:
DNA RESULTS OF A DIRECT FEMALE DESCENDANT OF CHARITY ADKINS SHOW THAT CHARITY’S MOTHER WAS NOT NATIVE-AMERICAN. SHE, THEREFORE, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DESCENDED FROM BLUE SKY, SUPPOSED DAUGHTER OF CHIEF CORNSTALK.
Charity’s DNA haplogroup is H. Native American haplogroups are A, B, C, D and X.
H is the most common female haplogroup in Europe.Approximately half of all people with European origin are in haplogroup H.
Mitochondrial DNA passes from mother to daughter to daughter, etc., virtually unchanged so there is no doubt about the result. Charity’s mother had European ancestry, not native-American.
Thanks to Faith Ann Phelps-Richardson who identified a valid direct female descendant of Charity, Lynda Davis-Logan who tracked her down, and Audalene Starr who contributed her DNA, we now know the truth. Almost all of the people who match Audalene have ancestry that originated in England and Ireland.
Although this news will disappoint many of Charity’s descendants, it cannot be denied. All of us should now spread the news so that Charity’s history will be correct. Her mother was not Blue Sky or any other Native American woman.
Here is the line of descent from Charity (with no break in the female line):
Charity Adkins & Randolph (Randle) Adkins
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Rhoda Adkins & Merritt Johnson
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Ancerilda (Serilda) Johnson & Enoch Adkins
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Betsy Adkins & Calvin Dillon
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Ella Dillon & Walter Adkins
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Goldie Adkins & Russell Mays
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Audalene Mays & Audie Adkins, Jr. (mtDNA tester)
May 29, 2016 at 9:03 am
Hello to all, wishing all a safe holiday this Memorial Day weekend.
This is a reply to Sarah Atkins.
Remember I said DNA is a fickle thing.
Well amongst all geneasists, DNA is only inherited from a persons 5th great. So most only inherit from their 5th great grandparents. Sarah, you’ve tested a 6th great from Charity that’s why you have these type of results.
Now that being said, 99.99% will only inherit from their 5th great, but like everything else in life there is also a 00.01% anomaly where a 6th great can inherit further back although it is extremely rare.
DNA must be done on individuals no more than 5 generations out from the person you are trying to link to.
What we need is a 5th descendant from Littleberry Adkins and compare those to another 5th descendant from say Chloe Etta Adkins line ( my sons line) that’s why we are having Larry Clark tested, he being a 5th and my sons father.
Comparisons between these two lines would be definitive as to the Native issue at hand.
It was a good try Sarah Atkins, but just not close enough to be able to pick up any Native DNA.
I wish you all well.
May 29, 2016 at 8:17 pm
Hello to all,
I have spoken to my ex husband, Larry Clark he is doing the DNA testing. Results will not be back until mid July at best.
Larry Clark is the 6th great of C. Cornstalk
The 5th great of Blue sky.
The 4th great of Charity Adkins.
So if the Adkins/Clark lore is correct my ex husbands DNA will prove Native lineage. Maybe this will put an end to this issue.
In my exes lineage, Lester (monk) Clark and his wife, Orma were in control of all pics, documents, portraits and Chloe Etta’s journal.
The pictures of Chloe and husband were tell tail enough for me. Chloe looked Native as well did her son, Lester Clark.
There was an 8×10 drawing of Charity Adkins with a semi profile with a definitive Native nose, unmistakable.
Orma and I are the genealogy buffs in the family, before we even knew each other, we both had the same lineage as to the Adkins & Clark lines.
Now we just wait for a conclusive answer to this nagging Native issue at hand.
Wishing all good health.
May 29, 2016 at 8:35 pm
My Wife said that on the Native American dna site there is a listing of Shawnee Women Mary Ann 1814-1882 with the haplogroup of “H,” kit #94558, also on the site is a Lucinda Atkins haplogroup L2a.
May 29, 2016 at 10:29 pm
If Cornstalk was 100% NA and there is some question about that, then if Larry Clark is related to him, and no other Native American contributions from any one else in Larry’s tree then Larry would be about.. 50%,25%,12.5%,6.25%,3.125%, 1.625 Larry would be about 1.625% native if he is related to Cornstalk and no other natives and Cornstalk was 100% Native which he may have not been.. Don’t expect to much from a DNA test. DNA is not inherited in exact proportions. Only possible way to determine a relationship to the Cornstalk family is to compare your DNA with a known relative of Cornstalk. Even then it would be a small match, being so far back… Cornstalk had many wives, native and not native, trying to find a connection through Haplotypes with Cornstalk is a waste of time in my opinion…
May 30, 2016 at 12:07 am
This is in response to John C. Cheek.
Agreed as to % of Native DNA for Larry Clark. However, this test may show Native DNA for him, there is no other Native involvement in Larry Clark’s ancestors, I and Orma have done a thorough accounting of all ancestors.
That being of Holland, Scotland, England and Welsh ancestors.
However, the test will link other family members across the country who match his profile and will show same dna markers as him, all I hope will lead us to a more recent descendant than Larry.
But still remains at the end of the day it is still not your call to make and is his time and money spent.
With a hopeful positive Native DNA marker to be had from it all, which will leave a definite link to Bluesky & C. Cornstalk. At least for this end of Adkins and Clark lineage lines.
All be safe, healthy and wise.
May 30, 2016 at 7:03 am
I have Adkins cousins who have Cornstalk in there trees, as well as Ailstocks and Wileys… I tested with 23 and me and AncestryDNA… Using that RAW Data I uploaded it to Gedmatch which has many tools for analyzing your DNA. My haplogroups are all European. I have like 2 to 4 percent NA DNA depending on the Model used and there are many on Gedmatch.. I have many Native Cousins… I match Shawnee Cousins on the Native American sections of their DNA.. Good Luck in your search!!
May 30, 2016 at 10:16 am
Is there anyone out there that now knows what Cornstalk’s “Y” dna is or what his and his Mother’s mtDNA haplogroup is?
If I recall he was born possibly in Pennsylvania?
As always thanks.
June 8, 2016 at 10:48 pm
My research shows Solomon Seney as my 5th great grandfather who was married to Chalakatha-Metis Woman Cornstalk. And shows her father as Chief Cornstalk with Helizikinopo Ounaconoa Wolf Clan Snake Moytoy. Making Chief Constalk my 6th great grandfather. However my DNA results do not show any Indian percentage, Can anyone help explain that to me?
June 8, 2016 at 11:46 pm
Hello Rebekah, You are too far out from the person you are trying to connect to. One needs to be 5 generations or less to show possible NA bloodlines.
Please try to test your parent or better, a grandparent or both who are related to this line of NA.
July 16, 2016 at 6:49 pm
Hi there!
I’ve been doing quite a bit of research lately on my family ties and keep coming back to the Jacob Harley Earl of Oxford and Mary Blue Cornstalk lineage. What I know that is somewhat confirmed is my grandmother, Georgia Adkins Garnett’s great grandfather(?) is Perry Green Adkins. She did tell me her family came over from England and were farmers in West Virginia(Wayne County and surrounding areas) and I’ve been told about Native American history on her side of the family. Any help would be great, thanks!
August 15, 2016 at 9:30 am
Hello everyone. My 8th Great Grandmother was April Tikami Hop. Her daughter Mary Barnes line to the Vann’s. This showed up in my DNA results Question: Is April Tikami Hop on the Dawes Roll? I know she was adopted. Thank you and hello to all cousins out there.
August 17, 2016 at 7:32 pm
Are you drunk? That is the most utterly insane nonsense I have ever heard!
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
August 17, 2016 at 7:43 pm
I am receiving messages from Tyler Ray Matters through this site. The above reply was to him, not any of you. He is smoking some good dope cause he is crazy as a bat! I do not see his posts here. Sheila, you may have been hacked somehow?
August 18, 2016 at 9:52 am
Dear Debbie,
I’m not sure how this “Tyler Ray Matters” got your email address. I don’t believe that I’ve been hacked. I’ve checked – all comments, allowed & in the spam query, none are from that name. I remember deleting & blocking a few comments a few weeks ago, but I can’t remember whom they were from. I’ve not been monitoring the blog daily as I used to but I do check & dump the spam account monthly.
I have no idea where this person would have gotten your email address, I didn’t see it listed at the site. I can remove it anywhere it’s visible, but as far as I can see, it isn’t listed or in the comments. I apologize for any inconvenience this poster may have caused you, but I’m not sure how I can help. You can flag and/or block any unwanted emails with your personal email account.
I’m sure it will all work out.
Thanks as always,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
August 18, 2016 at 10:10 am
Dear Sheila, not sure what is going on or who this fella is, but i didnot leave you any messages on this site. I just read his comments to you and that was really rude. Please be assured that was not from me. I dont know how this is happening. Not sure how he got my e-mail address. Pretty cowardly of him to be sending these offensive messages under someone else’s name, don’t you think? Please let me know if you get anymore messages from my e-mail address. Have a great day….Debbie
August 18, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Sheila, the messages are in the same email that you replied to me with. An email sent from this site when someone posts if you are following this thread. Go and read all the comments in that email and you will see his. Or at least that is where I see them.
September 28, 2016 at 12:17 pm
Hello. I’m trying to find some information about Essex Capshaw who married an Indian Woman named Elizabeth. We think she was a daughter of Chief Cornstalk. We can trace up to her daughter Sarah Capshaw.
October 28, 2016 at 1:36 pm
My grandfather was Dr. Vallery Basil Ailstock born 8/19/1898. His father was Valery F. Ailstock died 4/03/1942 and mother Alberta Mae. Can you tell me if they are related to Chief Cornstalk?
October 29, 2016 at 9:39 am
Valerie, AncestryDNA now has a DNA Circle for Absalom Ailstock (one of the supposed sons of Cornstalk). Not a single member has even trace amounts of Native American DNA but EVERY one has trace amounts of DNA from North Africa and/or Mali. This is pretty conclusive that Absalom is NOT the son of Cornstalk. He is listed in the will of Michael Ailstock as his son. I tend to believe the will.
November 14, 2016 at 11:37 pm
Is this still an active site? We grew up with my mother and grandmother talking often of their Native American ancestors and have “embraced” that without having any real knowledge. We want to join the current pipeline protests and decided to find out more–here’s what I have so far: my maternal grandfather is BLISS MOODY ALTIZER; his father was JAMES BLISS ALTIZER; son of SARAH JANE CHRISTIAN (9 Jul 1859 born, died 9 Dec 1935 in Tazewell VA); SARAH’s father was GEORGE WYNEPUECHISKA Dos Christian (1835-1914) and her mother was Sarah Jane Sallie “Wingo” (1841-1918). (Maiden Spring and Indian Creek VA?). Looks like Wynepuechiska’s parents were Nathaniel Christian and Jane Ewing.
Nathaniel’s father was Thomas “Cornstalk”
Siblings were: Shequamur, Moses Wisiko “Sharp Shooter” Waaakoce’thi, Mathchquath, Tecumapese Christian
Can someone help in identifying our Tribe? (Shawnee? Cherokee? Creek?) and what is my next step to connect to these ancestors, relatives, Tribe?
Thank you so much,
Donna Altizer Carrier
Dahhhna@hotmail.com
December 3, 2016 at 9:19 am
My ancestor Hezekiah whitt married his daughter and she was chief cornstalks daughter ,I am DARWIN WHITT late 1700s
December 3, 2016 at 9:26 am
Hello just want to say that my great great great great great great grandfather was Hezekiah whitt. He married a daughter of chief cornstalks after. A raid in North Carolina and named her Rachael skaggs whitt any info is needed
December 18, 2016 at 2:12 am
Hello, my name is Helen Siers (Johnson). My fourth great grandfather was Israel Friend who married Sarah Bokavar Hokolesqua, sister of Cunnawehala b. 1690, Sowege Gliding Swan 1710-1820, Keigh tugh gua Cornstalk 1720-1777, Holowas Silver Heels 1730-1804, (all with the last name Hokolesqua Cornstalk). They are the children of Akulusska Ben Whitfish Hokolesqua Cornstalk 1662-1777. Cinnawehala was among the 6 chiefs who gave Israel Friend the land. Akulussa Ben’s father was Opeecham Stream Hokolesqua Cornstalk married Pasmere Carpenter, When Iarael died he made arrangements for John Valentine House to marry Sarah or she would lose the land as Indians weren’t allowed to own land. She was the wife of Joseph Adkins at some time in her life. My grandmother was Mary Friend, G granddaughter of Sarah and Israel. I have a picture of myself at the house they lived in. It is also pictured on Google, as for Israel Friend Frontiersman.
December 20, 2016 at 1:04 am
My grandfather was Raymond Pauley……
Who was the son of Arl Pauley…….
Grandson of Overton Pauley…….
Great Grandson of Coleman Pauley……..
These men are descended from David (Polly) Pauley and Agnes Adkins-Pauley.
From what I have found, Agnes is the grand-daughter of (Mary?) Blue Sky Cornstalk.
Mahoney Pauley is the son of Henry Pauley, the son of Agnes Adkins-Pauley. His grave is the first/oldest grave in the Pauley family cemetery near Alum Creek, WV.
I have been digging for years to uncover the history of my family. Specifically the Pauley family. I have been able to trace the paternal line all the way back to England in the 1400s…….. The first Pauley/Polly in the USA was a Royal Fence Inspector in England and then was given land in Massachusetts.
It makes sense to me that the granddaughter of a Chief would marry the grandson of a man known to be a royal appointed representative of the English crown…….
I would love to find someone to substantiate everything I have found…..
December 30, 2016 at 9:11 am
Hello my name is Kimberly Carpenter Suteu, I’ve beginning to research my lineage and and getting overwhelmed. I have always been told I was related to Chief Cornstalk but had no documentation of this. My 4th Great Grandfather is John “Trader” “Moytoy Amatoya” Carpenter. I have read he was a chief of some sort. Cherokee possibly. I am also finding he was 1/2 Shawnee and 1/2 Cherokee. If anyone knows anymore and could give any info I would greatly appreciate it. Or any advise on how to contact a tribe for registry etc would help also. Any information on him would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
February 14, 2017 at 12:34 am
I am recently looking up my Adkins line and I am completely confused. Is there anyone who has the line? It is hard with multiple spouses and bloodline. I am starting at Richard Adkins (Jr.)/Margaret Adkins. First of all, can’t find her parents. Then Marry Polly Monroe /Richard to Elijah Adkins/Nancy White Wing Cornstalk. Is Nancy blood mother of Richard Adkins? I am getting conflicting info on blood Vs. other marriages. And on to Parker Vincent Adkins/Mary Blue Sky (who is apparently not blood to Elijah).
Them, is William Vincent Adkins Sr./(Elizabeth Parker) blood daughter of Manitha? I can email a screenshot to explain further, but could use help. I am not sure ancestry filled in info correctly.
February 19, 2017 at 10:59 am
Hello my name is Kimberly Carpenter Suteu, I’ve beginning to research my lineage and and getting overwhelmed. I have always been told I was related to Chief Cornstalk but had no documentation of this. My 4th Great Grandfather is John “Trader” “Moytoy Amatoya” Carpenter. I have read he was a chief of some sort. Cherokee possibly. I am also finding he was 1/2 Shawnee and 1/2 Cherokee. If anyone knows anymore and could give any info I would greatly appreciate it. Or any advise on how to contact a tribe for registry etc would help also. Any information on him would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
March 2, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Reading through much of this train wreck, I got some bad news for all of you.
Don Greene has made up much of his book.
I am a REAL FEDERALLY ENROLLED SHAWNEE.
In the past, Don Greene has claimed to me that Longtails are from the “Straight Tail” family… nothing could be further from the truth. One of my great grandmothers was Annie Longtail.
I am from the Shawnee tribe in Miami, OK, I have other family from the Absentee. None of the three federally recognized tribes recognize Don Greene and we consider his little group he has as Wannabes…
Please stop using his book, he is a idiot.
http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/2017/03/shawnee-heritage-by-don-greene-aka.html
March 2, 2017 at 9:45 pm
Also, being from the Longtail family, we are not connected to Cornstalk nor are we connected to Adkins.
Please document work, as Don Greene has never offered any documentation
March 3, 2017 at 10:03 am
So are DNA tests bogus in your best opinion?
Have you by chance taken one of the tests like the ones at ftdna.com?
Sometimes people write just to entertain themselves and others?
March 13, 2017 at 4:02 am
Hi Keely,
Yeah, I became very skeptical of Don Greene’s work. I like to see some kind of documentation. My brother did a DNA test and we do have enough either it’s Native American or American Indian DNA in us which would equal to two great-great grandparents of ours. I’m looking on my mom’s side of our family in regards to tribes that were living in Northern Sonora, Mexico and Tubutama, Mexico because my great-great grandmother was supposedly full American Indian. I am just curious you know?
As far as my dad’s side, we only heard stories passed down from generation to generation. I was doing research on Ancestry.com and saw that Joseph Adkins was married to a Sarah Adkins (Cornstalk), who would be my 5th great-grandparents if that was ever true. This is something I wish I really knew was true or not, but when I found out about Don Greene’s books, and that there was a huge lack of documentation, I was very sad about it. Chances are I really feel it isn’t true in regards to Sarah Adkins being a daughter of Kaytoquah Cornstalk and Helizikinopo Qunaconoa Moytoy. Oh well…
Also, thank you so much for your input. It’s refreshing to actually meet someone on here who has a good understanding of what documentation etc. should look like.
Kind regards,
Tina
March 13, 2017 at 10:49 am
Perhaps I’m missing something: Did any Native American tribe document anything by written word? (something to keep in mind…)
March 13, 2017 at 10:51 am
Another thing to keep in mind is that any genealogist may be incorrect in some areas and correct in others…
March 20, 2017 at 12:20 am
Hi Mike,
You make a great point in regards to the documentation if a tribe kept any kind of written word haha. I’m not too sure on this…
April 19, 2017 at 10:18 pm
I also found out that I am a direct descendent of Chief cornstalk. Among other tribes.
April 20, 2017 at 12:40 am
I think my Father may have some native ancestry, possibly on his maternal lineage. My Mother descends from the Metcalfs way back. I can’t connect much on my Davidsons in Virginia presently.
July 6, 2017 at 6:22 pm
My name is David Lee Adkins,from Chapmanville WVa. Chief Cornstalk is my sixth great grandfather ,Parker Adkins and Mary Bluesky are my fifth great grandparents, Littlebury Sr. and Delphia Adkins is my fourth great grand parents, he is buried at ten mile WVa.,there are many great grand children around Henlawson,WVa.
August 30, 2017 at 4:04 pm
Hatito! Boy…Ya’ll probably have been through all this. I have Shawnee decent through Mitha Straight Tail Parker. But there are those who dispute whether she married Richard Parker II. Yes, Mitha is listed as his wife. But is it THE MITHA STRAIGHT TAIL?….Some ask. Why? I also have Mohawk descent from Suster Bouts. Funny thing. In the Family history books from her time she is always listed as a Mohawk and her husband was VERY CLOSE to them and was an interpreter. But NOW some people with ridiculous twisting of genealogy that is not true, want to dispute that. But fortunately for me, No one seems to challenge with crazy twistings and other such horseshit my Cherokee ancestor, Martha Sprouce. Oh, yeah….Maybe I’m guilty. Have an alleged Wyandotte ancestor but I disputed that over the spelling of a name….
August 30, 2017 at 4:19 pm
And now comes a rather nice gentleman named Ben Barnes. He’s the Second Chief of the Shawnee Tribe and no fan of my AST. All that I can say is that he does have a lot of knowledge on those who were relocated. But those of our ancestors who were assimilated I feel he has very little knowledge of. There was intermarriage! I’m dis.gusted. I’m disgusted by how descendants are treated. WE NEED PERHAPS A FIRST NATIONS DESCENDANTS SOCIETY. Dear God…..Tecumseh was so right. I would like to continue to talk with Barnes as I think that talking, not being adversarial, is the answer. having talked to the man, I can tell he has no evil motives. it is a misunderstanding. And he’s gone to far to brand the AST as fake when we have so many real descendants. I guess everyone wants to crucify Chief Don Greene and claim he has no Native blood. Nonsense. Greene is a descendant. He can tell you who was Shawnee in his ancestry. What have we all become? Fighting among ourselves. We are not the only Shawnee descendants! And we’re bigger than trying to hurt anyone’s reputation. Greene is an above board guy.
September 4, 2017 at 1:09 pm
Try unlocking your history with a DNA test: my sister’s 23&ME DNA test shows a trace of Indian blood. I hope this might give you peace,. I greatly respect our Native Americans.
September 19, 2017 at 1:36 pm
I’m a LOYAL Appalachian Shawnee Tribe member. I am a Mohawk, Cherokee and Shawnee descendant. I’ll take a DNA test once I can afford it. Sick of how descendants are treated…Both by the fed Tribes and the US government. Greene has been crucified. And he’s a real descendant.
September 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm
Good Morning Phil, my name is Claudette Andrews Mr. Greene has my family in his Shawnee Heritage ll, I would like to talk to him about it my family is all upset because they don’t believe they have Native Blood me on the other hand was told I was Native American please if anyone can help me contact him I would be appreciate it very much, I did a DNA test it connected me to Rosanna Soward
September 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm
I also am in direct line of chief cornstalk. We come from Julia scot and the Ailstock line
October 10, 2017 at 6:07 pm
Chief Cornstalk is my 7th Great grandfather too!
November 3, 2017 at 8:16 pm
I have all but given up on writing my blog. It spun out of control. I don’t even read the comments anymore. I keep it up so that the as one comment, people can read this train wreck. I hope you found what you were looking for.
November 4, 2017 at 10:18 am
As a beekeeper I see that you stirred up a swarm of posts which chased you away. I truly appreciate this blog. I find your research is informative and helpful. Congrats on cracking open communication in a tremendously large family. Obviously our family history is filled with mystery and intrigue.. I urge you to archive this so called “train wreck” which would clear the tracks of this blog. Please take control of who has right to post comments. I pray that some brave person will open a different cyber channel that is appropriate to debate. Peace out.
November 4, 2017 at 10:25 am
If you watch you can sometimes get DNA tests for $60.00 and up on sale at ftdna.com & ancestry.com.
If your Mother happens to be 100% Native American, you might show up as 1/2 N/A + or – on your test. My Wife’s showed up on hers.
November 4, 2017 at 11:05 am
Hi to Claudette Andres posted message about her dna connection to Esther Cornstalk Sowards. Was the dna actually showing native american. I descend from Robert Sowards, Son of Esther and Thomas Sowards. I have not done a dna test yet. As I am 14 generations from Esther and Thomas. I am doubtful that I will have any native american blood show up. If you, or anyone that descends from Thomas and Esther Sowards has proof, dna proof, I would like to hear from you. I just received Mary Ann Doty Rizzo’s latest book, and it does not reveal definite proof. I hope someone can clear this up for me. I’ve wanted to believe this family story, but know I need to see the proof. Claudette, you can email me at drewryhal@outlook.com if you prefer to contact me privately. Linda Ryhal
November 5, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Hi to Claudette Andrews. You posted message 215 where you state your dna goes back to Rosanna Sowards, daughter of Thomas and Esther. Does the dna show native american blood. I descend from Robert, Rosanna’s brother. I am too many generations from Thomas and Esther and Robert, to have any dna show up native american, if it is in fact there. I am looking for positive proof from anyone that connects to this line. My email address is drewryhal@outlook.com for anyone who wants to contact me personally.
November 10, 2017 at 11:47 am
Happy Friday Cousin, yes my DNA did show native blood it specifically said that it came from Tennessee & South States Settlers
I’m happy to share any information I️ have with you it’s not much as this was my dads family and I didn’t know him so it’s all about the research so far I know that my Grandma was Vivian Tipsword after that things kinda fell in place
November 15, 2017 at 11:36 am
I am related to Chief Cornstalk through my Ailstock/cornstalk line. Chief and his wife Julia Scot Ailstock Cornstalk were my 5th Great Grandparents. Their son Absalom, had a son, who is my 3rd Great Grandfather. Isn’t it true that Chief Cornstalk’s ancestral line 3-4 levels back, leads to Pocahontas Cornstalk??
November 18, 2017 at 11:45 am
In the person, Esther Cutewah Cornstalk, what does the word Cutewah stand for? Does anyone know? Thanks
November 26, 2017 at 10:23 am
Hello, sorry to be so forward as to interject into a conversation I have no business in, but obviously I am going to anyway.
My name is Anthony Turner and what lead me to this is the interest that I have in tracing my great grandmother’s possible lineage to cheif Cornstalk through her Adkins line but I heard you mention the Turner lineage and it dawned on me that I’d heard that name somewhere…duh My dad Michael D. Turner.
Anyway I am interested in trying to find out this lineage and would be interested in anything that could help explain it further.
Thanks in advance and for the tons of help you have already been in my quest of sorts.
Thanks again and God bless,
Anthony D. Turner
November 26, 2017 at 11:36 pm
As a ma
November 28, 2017 at 11:58 pm
I also am a decendent of Chief Cornstalk. We come from Julia Scot’s children the Ailstock (sp. Aylstock) line
January 17, 2018 at 5:21 pm
I respectfully suggest that anyone claiming to be descended from Parker Adkins & Blue Sky go back & read post No. 235. I also suggest that you read up on mitochondrial and Y-DNA testing. Mitochondrial DNA traces maternal ancestry back into antiquity and not just 5 or 6 generations as someone has stated. Y-DNA traces one’s paternal ancestry back into antiquity.
It it not possible to connect descendants of Littleberry Adkins to his maternal ancestry since any mitochondrial test of that descendant would lead to the tester’s own mother’s ancestry – not Littleberry. A Y-DNA test of a descendant of Littleberry would lead back to Parker Adkins – not Blue Sky or any other maternal ancestor.
The only possible way to connect back to a possible relationship to Blue Sky was to find a direct female descendant of Charity Adkins and administer a mitochondrial DNA test. This was done and described in post No. 235 on this site.
Since then, I put together a paper trail in order to try to prove the Blue Sky story. Unfortunately, it proved that the story was unbelievable based on what was going on at the time and the distances involved. It is available at http://www.parkeradkins.wordpress.com if you would like to read it. Continue past the end of the document to the description under First Blog Post for references.
My purpose for posting this is not to argue with people but rather to present known facts. Whether or not you choose to believe them is up to you.
February 20, 2018 at 12:57 am
Margaret opessa pekwoi woman is my 9th great grandmother
Opessa opeththa straight tail kakawatchekee is my 10 great grandfather
Pekowi shawnee woman kakawatchekee is my 10th great grandmother. Im just finding all this out. I would love to know any kind of info u have on them or others related to them.
March 4, 2018 at 12:40 pm
I am looking for any and all information on Chief Peter Cornstalk of the Eel River Miami tribe. I know that He lived just North of Burlington, Indiana, He was well Liked and respected By Settlers, and that He died in 1838. He was sent from Burlington to the then village of Kokomo, to be buried at the Indiana cemetery located there. However the Settlers that were paid $5 to transport the body, concluded that they had went far enough for the money and buried Him 2 and a half Miles East of there, at the fork of what is now known as “Petes Run.” He was so revered by the settlers that they opened a Post office named “Peter Cornstalk Post office,” right near his burial spot.
Sadly Peters Son Young Pete, who like his father was Loved by Many, Found the men burying His father and taking the Ornaments He was to be buried with. He shot one of the Men, and two years later stabbed the other man to death. He had no charges placed against Him for it, because the Men had it coming, and it was deemed Indian Justice. I recently went to the spot of his burial, and found nothing to be there, no headstone, nor Marker of the Chief. I can find Very little about where He came from, There is a possibility that he was the Son of nephew of the Peter Cornstalk that has been discussed Here. His Son Peter Cornstalk lived on from 1838, and I don’t have any idea or cant find any information relating to Him after His Father died. As it goes, I lease the Land where Petes Run flows into the Wildcat creek, It has been said that the spot where it flows into the wildcat was where He had lived before Moving to Burlington, Indiana a couple Miles west of there. I want to have a Monument erected on the spot of His burial, at the fork of Pete’s Run, telling about the man, and His place in local history. I would love to speak with anyone that may be related to HIM.
Michael stroup
email address: mrkatt420@gmail.com
telephone number: 765-470-2826
March 5, 2018 at 4:02 pm
Hello, I’m trying to find out if I’m related to Chief Cornstalk by way of my maternal line-
Jones-Roberts- Carter- Click- Whitt -leading to Hezekiah Whitt and Rachel, his wife. Also have Adkins, Parker and Owens.
Info on Rachel, on some sites, lists her as Cornstalk’s daughter. But the following info, which I found on this wonderful site, speaks of Hezekiah Whitt, aka, low hawk??
and a affadavit- by Hezekiah Whitt, which I can’t read very well.
post # 160, by Mike van Beuren Says:
April 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm
I’d appreciate any and all help, Terri
March 6, 2018 at 7:52 pm
Terri Shea Colonel Charles Dahnman Whitt, is the author of a book “The Patriot Hezikiah Whitt” excellent read and explains all those Whitt, Shawnee connections…
March 11, 2018 at 4:40 pm
Excuse me grabbing this thread.
I have a few concerns:
Does the Colonel provide authentic documentation? He doesn’t state he provides any documentation.
The Colonel states on book sites, he “fills” in with his thoughts what may have happened.
He states his historical fiction is “based” on a true story.
As an FYI, I’d like to know where and when his commission of Colonel was appointed?
There are many stories (ancestral are rampant) on the internet passed down without official documentation, these are hearsay. Yes, some documentation may be missing due to 100’s of years history, but if other documents from those times are available, then other ones most likely exist as well, if they are indeed factual.
Unfortunately, anyone can say whatever they want, but to be accurate one needs to research and only post facts, with documentation so no misguided stories about one’s lineage are stated as fact.
I want to know about my family, but I want the correct family to which I belong, and factual, good or bad.
March 30, 2018 at 2:58 pm
I have an early nightgown that I picked up at an estate. On the back written in indelible ink, in script writing is the name “Minnie A. Cornstock.” Many pieces were signed by not only the seamstress, but the garment owner as well. While the nightgown suggest Civil war era, from what I can see, Minnie Adkins, a Chickahominy woman, met and married Samuel Red Cloud-Owen, a San Blass Indian, in New York City. Seems he was a Chief Cornstock descendant. Does anyone know if this is indeed true? if so, do you have any info on Minnie? Thank you in advance.
August 20, 2018 at 8:06 am
I am a Turner I have Moytoys in my line and Cornstalk is in there somewhere I descend from Old Tassel goes down through the Grant then Emery line and makes it’s way to Turner. Email me and I will see if I can help.
September 22, 2018 at 3:49 pm
My daughter is doing our family tree and she says Chief Cornstalk is my 9 th grandfather . My grand father was John Tomblin do we actually fit in with the Cornstalks ? It goes back to Mary Bluesky please if you can confirm or deny this I would appreciate it
September 23, 2018 at 1:00 pm
My grandfather was born in the late 1890’s and married a Rhoda Vance
September 25, 2018 at 10:02 am
My daughter has started following the paper trail and the results are being documented thank you for the tip
September 28, 2018 at 8:27 pm
My 4th g. grandmother was Sarah Bokavar Hokolesqua Cornstalk married Israel Friend (family came from Sweden) who was my grandmother’s 3rd. great grandfather. Sarah was born 1711 and married Israel in 1725 in Jamestown, VA. She was the daughter of Akulusska Ben White Sun Fish Hokolesqua Shawnee. Akuluuska’s father was Opeecham Stream Hokolesqua whose father was Opechancanough Mangopeesomon Powhatan. Sarah is the sister of Cunnawehala, Sowege Gliding Swan , Keigh Taug Qua (Chief Cornstalk), Holowas Silver Heels. Cunnawehala was one of the chiefs of the 5 Indian nations that gave Israel the land. Google “Israel Friend frontiersman” and read in the book “Tales from the camp fires” and it says that Cunnawehala is her oldest brother. Sarah married John Valentine House as soon Israel died as he and Israel were close friends and he married her to keep the home and goods for her and her children. John and Sarah had children. I wish I knew how to get in touch with a chief as Chief Cornstlk is my 4th. great uncle. I am also related to Opeachancanough through my Carpenter family as Thomas Carpenter (Moytoy) is a son of Richard Carpenter.
October 31, 2018 at 8:27 pm
It is now rumored in my family that my 6th great grandfather was chief cornstalk.
Relation Bandy Family.
Could anyone help me with this rumor? I know my family is connected to the Native Americans but not really sure what.
February 18, 2019 at 2:38 pm
You can be so proud to beba member of the Cornstalk family. I once many many years ago I read about Cornstalk and his brother Silverheel and his sister Nonhelema. I always wanted to visit his graveyard so when I was in America 1998 I tried to visit Point Pleasant, but there was no transport there with a greyhoundbus. To bad. Anyhow there are some informations to get at the smithonium museum in Washington.
February 19, 2019 at 11:03 am
I think it’s related by marriage?
March 27, 2019 at 8:08 pm
I believe that my father James Wood is related to chief cornstalk his dad is John B Wood, Grandpa Andrew J Wood, Great Grand mother was Sarah Adkins, Great grate grandfather Williams Akins and then great great great grandmother Mary “Blue sky” Adkins. I’m needing to see about tracking down birth and death certificates, Roll number ext. really anything that would help.
Thank you and god bless
April 17, 2019 at 9:04 pm
Hello. My ancestor ‘s name was Sarah Nancy Sky Polly Cornstalk. I believe she was born in 1750 and passed this life in 1784. Can someone shed any light on this precious woman for me?
November 9, 2019 at 10:02 am
My son joined the Ancestors program and so far we have gotten up to Chief Cornstalk being our direct descendant. I have never been so excited in my life to find out an actual Indian Chief is my great grandfather 6 or 7 times over. My great grandmother was Julia Scott Cornstalk, who gave birth to another Great grandfather of mine Absalon Cornstalk Ailstock. It says my grandmother Julia came from Scotland and was Mulatto. Does that matter to me. Absolutely NOT, I am excited to have all this heritage inside my body.
November 10, 2019 at 11:53 am
What/ which program did you join, and how can one join it?
December 14, 2019 at 3:32 am
Just recently I’ve made some of the same revelations as the rest of y’all on my connection to Elijah Adkins/Big Nancy Cornstalk. Someone earlier in this post mentioned having a Cherokee connection under the Trout name. Does anyone have more information on that connection? My grandmother was a Trout. My research on that Native American line has only run into roadblock after roadblock after roadblock all of which apparently were backed by brick walls….now my head hurts from it. Thank you in advance to anyone that can help!
August 18, 2020 at 7:48 pm
My brother did a genealogy test, and found out that chief cornstalk is our great great great ect. Grandfather. My grandfather on my mother’s side has the last name Lewis
August 29, 2020 at 12:27 pm
Thank goodness I found this…I am Melissa Turner, I go back to Cornstalk,I am related to Pamela Elizabeth White, My Heritage, DNA done. I am on Ged Match..I am related to Ted Turner..Is Simon Turner, the one that married a NA?I am trying to get that info into my Tree..I am related to Pocahontas, Aunt and Elizabeth Pride Shawnee Cornstalk,is Grandma 💜 hope to hear from you…
December 13, 2020 at 5:44 pm
Melissa Turner: I am also a Cornstalk descendant and Pocahontas was my 11th Great Grandmother – What is your GEDmatch # we need to share research! I have joined the Native American DNA group thru GEDmatch on Facebook and I have matched with a group of people already! My connection to Chief Cornstalk is through his youngest daughter Rachel (Skaggs) Whitt who was adopted when he was murdered and given her name – I have no idea what her Shawnee name was. If anyone has more information please share
Thank You, Bridgitte
January 7, 2021 at 4:01 am
Amanda if you still need the family tree info I have it, on my mom’s side the Adkins are on it . goes all the way back to cornstalks parents
January 7, 2021 at 4:18 pm
Brigette, et al, I am in the same boat as you, one of My Direct Grandfather’s down the line is Hezekiah Whitt, -Richard “Devil Dick” Whitt, and down the line –Cleek/Click/Adkins….
March 10, 2021 at 12:31 am
Hello. I have linked my ancestry back to Chief Cornstalk through his daughter “Rachel” who was later married Rachel Crafton. She was the daughter of Chief Cornstalk and an unnamed Shawnee woman. They had several children. Can you confirm this information? I also don’t know how to find any descendants on the rolls to join the Shawnee tribe. Can you help me? Thank you!
March 16, 2021 at 2:51 pm
Hi Lauren! I have sources showing Chief Cornstalks daughter Rachel was married once to a man named Hezekiah Whitt, they lived in the Tazewell area of Virginia. I say that because it became Tazewell in 1799. They married in 1782 in Montgomery Co, VA. They had 7 children I descend from their 2nd child Rebecca – here’s the family:
Hezekiah* Whitt – Spouse
1760–1846
Children:
James Whitt
1782–1855
Rebecca* Whitt (Husk, Lowe, Lester)
1786–1884
Griffith “Griffy” Whitt
1787–1853
Susannah Whitt
1789–1865
Richard Whitt
1791–1855
John Bunyon Whitt
1794–1867
Jonas Whitt (passed down the family Bible with dates of birth, death and
marriages)
1797–1865
March 16, 2021 at 4:01 pm
Thank you for your response. I believe there must be another Rachel because I do not recognize that lineage. My Rachel, my 6th great grandmother, was Rachel Lnu (Indian) – married to Henry Crafton. She became Rachel Crafton and had several children including my 5th great grandmother, Hannah Crafton, who married Levi Higgins. Rachel was from Virginia and then moved to Indiana. Her birth was about February 1, 1764 and died on exactly on March 28, 1846. Her tombstone is marked as “native Shawnee Indian”. She is buried in the navuoo cemetery in Milford Indiana, Decatur county. I have been trying to find out as much info as I can about her. She is named as being a child of Chief Cornstalk, and has an “unnamed Shawnee mother”. Any info? Thank you!
May 18, 2021 at 10:12 am
I am a woman of almost 80 years old. Maybe 40 years ago I read a book about cornstarch and his brother Silverdale and sister Montezuma.
Somehow I could never forget the story and I visit America for the first time. I wanted to go to Point-pleasant, but there was no way to go there by bus or train. Too bad. Now I hope to try again next year. I find out that I can go there by a school’s so I hope my dream comes true.I always travel by bus and train alone and I love that. I wish you good luck with your pedigree
With love,
Anna Passenier-Maagdeleijn
Netherland.
July 9, 2021 at 5:53 am
Why have you got a picture of my great great great uncle on here this picture is cheif corn tassell his brother and my great great great grandfather cheif doublehead.
July 9, 2021 at 12:29 pm
hi all my name is Sandy Lovejoy i am a decendant to Chief Cornstalk and Blue sky through my late grandmother Grace Adkins Lovejoy, i’ve been doing my family tree since 1997 i ended up doing both sides of each grandparents after i concluded with my mother’s father side first since his side was the easy never made past the third great grandfather from germany, then started on grandma lovejoy parents side as of now i got stuck after my adkins line goes into my Native American Ancestors. its seems that the adkins line intends to repeats who married who which means another go around inputting all the fun and juicey details lol thank god for journals cornstalk is my 9x great grandfather but you know that could be wrong oh well back to drawing board as they say… thanks
August 23, 2021 at 10:53 pm
Please refer to the blog named:
m a descendent of charity adkins and littleberry adkins, their parents are bluesky cornstalk and parker adkins my 6th great grandparents. My cousin in california was done in depth research over the last year and blue sky is the daughter of chief corntalk. Refer to this paper copyrighted call the
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiov8SEzsjyAhV0EVkFHW53CqUQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthecaseforblueskyandparkeradkins.com%2F&usg=AOvVaw2ekvUmUzWVuVIsBAIazs_3
Please read and correct your errors.
Blue sky and parker are my 6th great grandparents and i descend from their children littleberry and charity adkins.
August 24, 2021 at 10:10 pm
Hi
Please email me
September 5, 2021 at 8:31 pm
My great grandma was Mary Wiley her father was Cornelius Wiley his father was John Black Cornstalk who arrived in Arkansas some time with Indians removal and before civil war and landed in Searcy County Arkansas where he is buried recent research has led me to believe his father was Chief cornstalk and Jenny Wiley can you help or verify any of this
December 21, 2021 at 4:06 pm
Hello everyone and Merry Christmas. I belive I am a decendant of Nonhelema Grenadier Squaw.. I have read so may different views on who her children are.my head swims. I have dna results showing a match to Hanna Fisher Green. Her mother was Jemima Smith married to John Green of West Virginia he died in a cave collapse. Her Mother was Hanna Nonhelema and her mother was Nonhelema Grenadier Squaw. There is so much conflict about who was real and who was not. This article is the closest think I have read to the truth. I also believe that Alexander white eagle and Nonhelema Grenadier Squaw were the parents of Thomas Mcgee. Gardner Green is another ancestor of mine that someone keeps say made up despite documents stating he was real.
December 23, 2021 at 9:12 pm
I believe I am the greatx5 granddaughter of nonhelema Grenadier Squaw. She married at 16 with unknown chief. These 2 had a daughter Hanna who had a daughter Jemima. Jemima married John Green Sr. He died in a cave collapse in west virginia in 1817. They had a daughter Hanna A Green who married Leonard G Fisher. My DNA matches Hanna A Green Fisher. The only thing I can’t find is unknown Chief. Any help would be great.
December 23, 2021 at 11:03 pm
Hi Joni,
Are you on gedmatch? If so can you send me your gedmatch number and I will send you mine.
January 17, 2022 at 9:27 am
Kit# GH4652718. Sorry it took me so long to post this. Any info about my family would be great!
May 15, 2022 at 1:21 pm
Has anyone got the roll # and card # He is my 5th great grandfather. I cant find anything on him.
June 5, 2022 at 5:06 pm
I appreciate you posting this! I am an Ailstock by birth, descendant of Absalom. My grandpa was deaf and told my dad about Cornstalk, but he didn’t get much more information from him than the name Cornstalk. This really fills in the gaps!
September 13, 2022 at 12:17 pm
I am also a direct descendant of chief Cornstalk on my Grandmother’s side her last name was Cassles.
July 3, 2023 at 5:58 pm
I have been told My great great grandfather was chief cornstalk I really don’t know on which side… on my fathers side his dad was a Bandy his mother was a Christian if anyone would have any info it would be so much appreciated….my email
Audrey.godbey@gmail.com
Thank You
October 5, 2023 at 6:23 pm
All of my life I have been told we had Indian blood in our line. At some point one of the family members found a lead making her believe the line was that of Cornstock. My father’s family is from Vevay IN which is in Switzerland County on the Ohio River. If anyone would like to compare notes and surnames you can contact me directly at nancyheil@bellsouth.net. Looking forward to hearing from all of you.
Regards
Nancy English Heil
South Carolina
January 16, 2024 at 2:16 am
My name is Tommy Bradshaw
January 16, 2024 at 3:20 am
My name is Tommy Bradshaw. Elizabeth See was my 4th Great-grandmother on my fathers side. Elizabeth and twin sister Catherine and their mother and with others were taken by Shawnee Indians to Ohio. Their father and others were killed. All the captives were returned by a treaty after a year, except for Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Catherine were nine years old when Chief Cornstalk took them to Ohio. When Elizabeth was older Chief Cornstalk gave her to his son Chief Cornstalk number 8. They were married. They had a child White Wing. They left the Shawnee and she married her brothers neighbor and moved to Ohio. White Wing had several names (Big Nancy) and more. She married Mr. Adkins, later changed to Atkins and had several children. Chief Tecumseh tried to unite all the tribes. He took White Wing and Little Nancy. He married White Wing. She left her other children with their father. She had children with Tecumseh. On my Mothers side Lola Reaves we are related to Cornstalk ,cousins ?times removed? White Wing is my 5th Grandaunt?
January 17, 2024 at 12:27 pm
Good morning, extended family! I am new to this site but not new to the research. I started researching my Atkins family lineage when my grandmother, Hilma Atkins (TN) passed away a few years ago. I am a descendant of Ira Adkins (Atkins) – 3rd great grandfather. My other half in the bag of genetics is Sicilian, Sweedish & Irish). I visited the Shawnee Headquarters about a year and a half ago and really enjoyed learning about my bloodline. I am going to start a new family tree to work on correcting errors in my old Ancestry trees (when I was learning to navigate the app and learning how to research & validate information) – so please know if you view my old trees, they are sure to have some errors that need to be fixed and I would love to collaborate.
@1teamroper, this is my family blood line too that I am trailing.
Tiffany Atkins Parkman